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WHIPS!
Volvo heeft na jaren van studie het Whiplash Protection System (WHIPS)
ontwikkeld. Dit systeem wordt sedert het jaar 2000 aangebracht in alle
modellen van deze Zweedse autofabrikant. De stoelen in deze autos hebben
niet alleen een goede hoofdsteun, maar ook een apart steunmechanisme in de
rugleuning. Het is de bedoeling dat die rugleuning bij een aanrijding aan de
achterzijde naar achteren beweegt, eerst evenwijdig en daarna licht hellend.
Omdat er tevens een energieabsorberend element tussen de leuning en de
zitting is gemonteerd, worden de krachten op de rug sterk verminderd.
Volgens een onderzoek van Volvo en het Amerikaanse Verzekeringsinstituut
voor Verkeersveiligheid (IIHS) zou het aantal gevallen van letsel na zon
aanrijding met maar liefst vijftig procent afnemen als alle autos dit soort
stoelen zouden hebben.
bron: autoreport

Hi Y'all
First let me start by thanking you all for all of the thoughts and
prayers. I was so tired I started out typing this out to you but kept
messing it up so I went to bed.
Dr.Addams gave me a copy of the report. He said there is NO evidence of
urinary obstruction. Kidneys are fine. HOWEVER there is a mass in the
mid left kidney which is felt to represent a benign Parapelvic cyst.
He said it's not solid an has decided to watch it for now. He said
since there is no trouble there was no need to do surgery unless they
have to. He said he wants me back in 6 months to have another CT scan
so he can compare it.
Again THANK YOU for all of the prayers.
GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!
**Huggles**
Melissa

Hi all,
I am new to the group. Let me see if I can give a little history. I am
Margie from Missouri and a year ago in Jan I was dignoised with Hyper-
thyroid and graves disease. I had Radiation Iodine done in April of
last year and then had to have it done again in Jan. of this year cause
they didn't give me enough. I am now fighting weight problem have put
on like 40 lbs in the last year. I am one of those that lost alot of
weight at the beginning when I was hyper. Which by the way they say I
still am.. Go figure after two treatments which is only suppose to take
one I am still hyper .. Yet I am putting on weight. Something not
adding up to me. No I have not changed Eatting habits I am eatting less
then I ever was but putting on weight and just don't feel good. Tired,
sore all over, stessed you name it I have it. Going to have blood work
done again this week and see if I am hypo now even though two weeks ago
I was hyper still. Graves is such fun to have.. NOT!!!
Anyways thats enough about me I hope to chat with some of you all
sometime.
Margie

Senators Kennedy, Bar, and Roberts have started the process to
restrict compounded prescriptions. We must contact all of our
congressmen and women now and keep reminding them that this is bad
legislation. It is something that is being driven by the greedy
pharmas. As more realize that the synthetics are either bad for your
body or "just do not work", the Big Pharma companies are loosing
business, and they want congress to force us to use the garbage that
they manufacture.
You can go to www.womensinternati onal.com . There is a link to
the information with a link that you enter your zip code and it will
tell you how to contact your senators and representative.
My wife uses compounded prescriptions. It is hard enough to find a
source as it is. We do not need congress making it harder.
You can also go to the link below to get to the comment page.
Click on this URL to take action now
http://capwiz. com/womensintern ational/utr/ 2/?a=9552521& i=82932012&
c=&u=www.
womensinternatio nal.com%2Fsdca20 07.html

Tegenlicht over de WAO]
Het oordeel van de twijfel
Hoe is het nu met..
De hoofdpersonen een half jaar later
De geschiedenis van de WAO
Van ongevallenwet tot Pemba
dinsdag 9 december 2003 14:00 Ned 3 (herhaling)
Met regelmaat is de WAO in het nieuws. Er zijn steeds weer nieuwe
maatregelen te melden, omdat het aantal moet dalen, het te duur is, het
systeem niet deugt, keuringen niet goed worden gedaan, en ga zo maar door.
De nadruk ligt vaak op politiek en economie, zelden op individuen.
Het oordeel van de twijfel toont een onderbelicht deel van de WAO: de
keuring zelf, gezien vanuit de keuringsarts en de arbeidsdeskundige. In de
spreekkamer van de arts wordt een verhaal een oordeel, en een klacht een
beperking. Daar wordt de wet werkelijkheid, daar verstrakt het regime en
versoepelt het weer.
Tegenlicht brengt een reeks keuringen in beeld zodat een scala van problemen
voor de kijker voelbaar wordt. Hoe probeert de keuringsarts een beeld te
krijgen van de werkelijkheid van de cliënt, hoe deelt de arbeidsdeskundige
de cliënt in. Een uniek kijkje in de spreekkamers van het UWV, de
organisatie die de WAO uitvoert. Daarbij gaat het niet over de actualiteit
(Kwaliteit keuringen onvoldoende of Arbeidsdeskundigen zien cliënten vaak
niet) maar over de constante door de tijd: hoe krijgen verzekeringsartsen en
arbeidsdeskundigen een beeld van wat er aan de hand is en wat voor mensen
krijgen zij voor zich. Dat keuringsartsen daarbij onderling nogal kunnen
verschillen in de beoordeling van cliënten, wordt duidelijk tijdens de
zogenaamde intercollegiale toetsingen waarbij Tegenlicht aanwezig kon zijn.
De keuring als de snelkookpan van de WAO.

HI Yall,
Just wanted to let you all know that the test on my kidneys will be
done on this Thursday instead of Monday April 9th.
I spoke with the lady who is doing the test yesterday and when I told
her I didn't realize it fell on the day after Easter she said Oh honey
I can do it Thursday if you like. So I won't be missing my Easter
plans after all.
So PLEASE keep me in your prayers on Thursday and Monday. Monday I
will go to see the Urologyst for the results of this test.
Have a Blessed Day!!!!
**Huggles**
Melissa

I know this is off topic but I thought those of you who have pets would
want to know about this.
**Huggles**
Melissa
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Hi Y'all
I hope everyone had a wonderfully blessed Easter weekend. I know I
did. I thoroughly enjoyed the production we had at church yesterday.
Today I go for the results of the test the doctor did on my kidneys last
Thursday. My appointment isn't until 1 but I'm planning leaving on the
10 oclock bus and get there around 11 in the hopes he will see me early.
I'll try to email you all when I come in this afternoon. I truely feel
in my heart that there is nothing wrong with my kidneys. I remember the
Urologyst telling me he just wanted to see how my kidney's functioned
and that was his main reason for this test. I pray there is nothing wrong.
Please keep me in your prayers today and send some positive thoughts my
way. Thank you all so much.
**Huggles**
Melissa

Hi my name is Kimberley and I am a new member to this group. Is there
anyone near Indy on the west side? I would love to find another woman
to just go have lunch and talk. I am becoming SO overwhelmed by this
disease that i am finding it hard to remain hopeful. Any ladies out
there wanna chat? I am 30 years old and I live in Danville which is
about 15 miles west of Indy. Thanks for listening....Kimberley

Hi Everyone,
I hope all is well with you. This is just a friendly reminder that
there will be a meeting Saturday.
When: Today
1:00pm - 2:30pm
Where: Ruby Tuesday's in Roebuck (@ Wal-Mart Supercenter)
9232 Parkway East
Birmingham, AL 35206
205-833-6490
Here is a link to the ThyCa Webpage where you may get a map and directions.
<http://www.thyca.org/sg/al_birmingham.htm
I hope to see you there.
Sincerly
Melissa Mason
Birmingham ThyCa
Facilitator

-Hi, I wish you well. Sorry to hear you are having so many problems
with your health.
Sincerely,
Joan

Hi I'm leaving group, I have had a lot of information on here, but I
have Multiple scherolis, and the symptoms have come back again, numb
hands and legs giving way, finances not too good, and thinking of
moving, Won't be having internet for a while.
Take care Christine.

good luck christine

Wow, that is a lot! One thing that might help is iodine. I have Hashi's and am
taking 50 mgs. per day. It might warrant a trial to see if it will help your
thyroid problems. Have you visited http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com at all?
There is a lot of info there. I hope that everyhing works out well for your
health!
Cathy C.

van het Ministerie van Sociale Zaken en Werkgelegenheid, Directie
Communicatie, ontvingen we onderstaand bericht
8 december 2003
111 miljoen euro extra voor reparatie koopkracht
De 111 miljoen euro extra die het kabinet heeft uitgetrokken voor de
koopkracht van minima, chronisch zieken en gehandicapten leidt tot een
verzachting van de koopkrachteffecten voor deze groepen. Dit heeft minister
De Geus van Sociale Zaken en Werkgelegenheid vandaag in een brief aan de
Tweede Kamer laten weten. Het pakket aan extra maatregelen waartoe het
kabinet heeft besloten, is uitgebreider dan waar de Tweede Kamer om had
gevraagd.
Het aanvullende pakket bevat onder meer maatregelen in de sfeer van
bijzondere bijstand. In een amendement van Verburg c.s. van de Tweede Kamer
op de begroting van SZW wordt voorgesteld het bedrag voor de bijzondere
bijstand in het gemeentefonds te verhogen met 50 miljoen euro. Het kabinet
neemt dit voorstel over en doet daar 30 miljoen euro bovenop. Gemeenten
mogen bovendien voor de kosten van chronische ziekte en handicap nieuwe
zogenoemde categoriale regelingen treffen. Hiervoor wordt de Wet werk en
bijstand gewijzigd. Met de extra 80 miljoen euro komt het totale bedrag voor
de bijzondere bijstand in het gemeentefonds volgend jaar op 370 miljoen
euro. Naast dit bedrag is 53 miljoen euro op de SZW-begroting uitgetrokken
voor mensen met een inkomen op minimumniveau die vijf jaar lang geen werk
hebben en geen perspectief op een baan. Het extra geld wordt gedekt uit geld
dat het rijk dit jaar terugkrijgt van de gemeentelijke budgetten.
Het aanvullende pakket betreft verder maatregelen in de belastingen en de
Algemene wet bijzondere ziektekosten (AWBZ). Door de maatregelen in de
belasting en de AWBZ neemt het aandeel huishoudens met een koopkrachtdaling
af. Het positieve effect voor chronisch zieken is verhoudingsgewijs hoger
omdat zij relatief meer te maken hebben met specifieke kosten en daardoor
meer voordeel hebben van de extra maatregelen van het kabinet.
Het aantal chronisch zieken en gehandicapten op minimumniveau dat er meer
dan 1 procent op achteruitgaat, neemt af van 33.000 tot 28.000 Op minimum
tot modaal niveau daalt dit aantal van 210.000 naar 171.000. In deze
getallen is nog geen rekening gehouden met de effecten van bijzondere
bijstand. Het aantal mensen dat van bijzondere bijstand gebruik maakt en het
individuele effect hiervan zijn niet nader aan te geven en ook niet
herkenbaar in de koopkrachtplaatjes. Volgens De Geus betekenen de
maatregelen dat negatieve effecten in individuele gevallen, afhankelijk van
de persoonlijke situatie, via de bijzondere bijstand kunnen worden verzacht.
Staatssecretaris Wijn van Financiën zal het Belastingplan 2004 zodanig
wijzigen dat naast de eigen bijdrage voor gezinshulp ook de eigen bijdrage
voor de andere AWBZ-zorg buiten een instelling binnen de fiscale regeling
voor chronisch zieken komt te vallen. Dit geldt ook voor medicijnen. Dit is
van belang omdat vanaf volgend jaar algemeen verkrijgbare medicijnen zoals
pijnstillers uit het ziekenfonds gaan. Deze uitbreidingen kosten 17 miljoen
euro. Verder wordt de vermenigvuldigingsfactor die geldt bij de aftrek van
buitengewone uitgaven voor ziekte aangepast van 1,60 naar 1,65. De kosten
hiervan zijn 7 miljoen euro. De dekking voor deze maatregelen wordt
verkregen door een verlaging van de algemene heffingskorting met 2 euro per
jaar. Deze veranderingen helpen chronisch zieken en gehandicapten omdat zij
relatief hoge zorgkosten hebben en deze straks in ruimere mate kunnen
aftrekken van de belasting. De koopkracht van bijvoorbeeld alleenstaande
ouderen met alleen AOW stijgt hierdoor met 21 euro.
Minister Hoogervorst van Volksgezondheid, Welzijn en Sport zal de
eigenbijdrageregeling voor thuiszorg en andere AWBZ-zorg buiten een
instelling aanpassen. Hierdoor gaan lagere inkomens minder eigen bijdrage
betalen en hogere inkomens meer. Zo gaat een alleenstaande oudere met een
aanvullend pensioen van 2500 euro per jaar hierdoor 91 euro per jaar minder
eigen bijdrage betalen. Met deze solidariteitsschuif is 7 miljoen euro
gemoeid.
Whiplash Internetwerken
www.start.at/whiplash

Hi Cathy,
I've been being treated for Pappilary Thyroid cancer. My
thyroglobulin was a bit high so the doctor working with the nuke doctors
decided to give me a Cat Scan of my neck an chest area and and Ultra
sound of my neck. THis was done also because my i123 body scan came
clean even tho the bloodwork was showing something else.
When they did the CT scan the scanner went down a little further than it
should have for some reason an picked up my kidneys. According to the
ones who read the scan reported that my left kidney showed some swelling
or something.
My regular doctor who is also my ENDO told me not to worry about it
she is just sending me to the Urologyst to make sure there is nothing
wrong. I personally don't feel like there is because I have NEVER EVER
had any problems with my kidneys. The 2 times I felt I had a kidney
infection my doctor did a test to find out an it showed nothing. She
told me that sometimes the ones who read these scans read a little more
into it than what is actually there.
She asked me if I had any kind of pain. I told her only time my back
hurts is when I am about to start that time of the month. Only other
time it bothers me is if I stand in one position or spot too long.
The urologyst told me that my left kidney appeared to be a bit swollen.
He said some folks are born like that an never know it. He just wants
to see how well my kidneys function.
**Huggles**
Melissa

Melissa,
I have had IVP and it isn't that big of a deal. You drink the contrast and
wait for it to get to the kidneys and then you say/sit in a lot of different
positions and they x-ray your kidneys each time. It is mostly boring, lol. I had
kidney stones, so that is why I had it done. The urologist wanted it done. Is
that why you are having it done?
Cathy C.

Hi Y'all,
Sorry I haven't emailed you all b4 now, but I am still exhausted from
yesterday. My appointment wasn't until 10 but I got there early an she
took me right on back.
She had to call to get the results of the Biopsy. Which they told her
they were unable to get one due to the fact that they couldn't find
anything to take a biopsy of. :)
She told me that since they were unable to get a biopsy because the
spot was to tiny..... she was just gonna watch it for now and check my
Thyroglobulin again in June to see where it stands. And she was putting
my treatment on hold as well.
She said at least until I have my kidney straightened out. She gave me
a script for Rocaltrol and is trying to get it in the clinic pharmacy as
they don't carry it yet. She is trying to get it in so it will be
cheaper on her patients who have to take it. She told me that I didn't
have to take it but she would like me to so I can cut down on tthe
amount of calcium I have to take.
That has been put on hold for now since I can't afford to buy it from a
regular pharmacy yet.
As for my elbow she said I have tendonitis. I have to get me a wrist
brace to keep from reinjurying it. She said the brace will prevent me
from twisting my arm a certain way.
Oh by the way LOL she said my Bloodpressure was perfect. Now I just
have to get thru the IVP test on my Kidneys on April 9th. I'm keeping
my faith that nothing is wrong with my kidneys. So PLEASE help me pray
about that. I greatly appreciate it.
I feel really BLESSED and fortunate. I could be in a lot worse shape.
Thank you all for being here for me.
**Huggles**
Melissa

Hi Everyone,
I hope all is well with you. This is just a friendly reminder that
there will be a meeting Saturday.
When: Saturday March 24th
1:00pm - 2:30pm
Where: Ruby Tuesday's in Roebuck (@ Wal-Mart Supercenter)
9232 Parkway East
Birmingham, AL 35206
205-833-6490
Here is a link to the ThyCa Webpage where you may get a map and directions.
<http://www.thyca.org/sg/al_birmingham.htm
I hope to see you there.
Sincerly
Melissa Mason
Birmingham ThyCa
Facilitator

this was on UNC-TV last night it was really good
http://www.realage.com/doctorcenter/intro.aspx
he listed 4 important things to do
1 Measure your waist -- and watch it shrink.
2. Walk 30 minutes a day -- no excuses!
3. Find a buddy -- to help you stick with it.
4. Clean out the fridge -- and refill it with good-for-YOU foods
there is also a video for beginners, inter and advanced, you need no
equipment, just do it 3 times a walk in add. to the walking.
check it out
i videotaped the program so i could watch it again
he explained about bad fats and that we need to take in good fats.
there is a link so you can see when it is on in your area watch Dr.
Roizen on TV this month!
renee

Hey FOLKS!!!
HEADS UP!!!!!
You all may know about this already but I thought I would send it anyway.
I'm thinking about cooking for my furkids like I used to cook for Happy.
<http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=alerts_recalls&id=5129355
<http://www.menufoods.com/recall/
**Huggles**
Melissa

when i had my kidneys xrayed it was painless. they put a dye in you and just
watch where it goes

Hi Y'all,
I'm still tired from yesterday but wanted to let you all know how it
went at the Urologyst. He said that my left Kidney is swollen an
appears to not empty like it should.
He asked me all sorts of questions. Like was I a diabetic and have I
ever had problems with my kidneys. He said some folks are born with a
tube blocked. I can't remember exactly how he explained it to me but
they never know it. He is doing some sort of test called an IVP.
Basically Xraying my kidneys. He said they just want to make sure my
Kidneys are working alright. He gave me some information on it but I
haven't really read it yet. I was too tired yesterday. That test is on
April 9th.
I got there early yesterday so I could talk to Dr. Heckmeyer's(my
regular doctor) assistant about having my left elbow Xrayed. As I was
waiting for the paperwork for that to be written up Dr.Heckmeyer came
out to the receptionist area to assist the workers there in writting up
some paperwork for the patient she had just seen an she saw me an my
friend who was typing up the paperwork for my XRay told her what was
going on. Mainly because her assistant was in the back working on
something. Anyway Dr.Heckmeyer knew remembered my elbow bothering me
when I was there last an told her yes make sure to write up the xray.
I should hear from her today about it.
I finally got home around 6:45. It was a really beautiful day
yesterday. Today I'm relaxing. LOL
God Bless you all!!!
**Huggles**
Melissa

Hi Everyone :)
I hope everyone is doing well. I didn't email you all yesterday because
I was so exhausted when I finally got home yesterday I couldn't think
straight. I'm gonna tell you how the biopsy went yesterday while I am
telling you all something funny that happen to me. LOL Those of you
who know me know how Ummmmm fluffy I am. I am extremely fluffy. Ok
Picture me as fluffy as I am as you read this. LOL
Whatta Day I had!!!!!!
Well let's see........ I left the house yesterday morning to catch the
7:15 bus since she assumed I had missed the Express bus(72). 72 bus
goes directly to the terminal by getting on the interstate. There in
less than 20 minutes depending on the traffic.
Haaaaaaa so I walked almost ran(3 blocks) from my apartment to the
bus stop to make sure I got to it to catch 25 bus going to the terminal.
I
seen 25 bus coming an didn't notice that 72 was coming too. Haha it
wasn't it's normal monster but in disguise. HaHa Ole 72 had decided
to go as a lil shuttle bus yesterday. I went ahead an got on anyway
even tho I was waiting for 25. LOL
I saw CenterPoint on the lil paper sign on the front window an
decided go ahead haha...... I got to tha to the hospital around 8am.
HAHA
Since I got there so early I decided to do some exploring. I found
a Chic Fil-A..... and the food court and looked around in the new part
of the hospital. I wanted to find the gift shop too. Haha...... but
deicded since I had to go to the bank up the street I went back an sat
next to the bakery in the cafeteria in the main part hospital. I sat
there reading until 9 then walked up to the bank. Then walked down to
the place where the biopsy was to be done.
I got there around 9:20 an checked in. I kept waiting on them to
call my name an then around 10:30 they did.
First the Tech her name was Janice. She was super nice an explained
everthing to me. She told me that she had to do an Ultra sound to
find the spot there the biopsy was to be taken from. So she looked an
looked. and took TONS of pictures.
She then explained how they do the Fine Needle Aspiration to me.
What they do is deaden the neck area...... then poke with needle 6 times
to get 6 different samples.
Boy is that a lotta pokin. By the time they got thru pokin that lil 8mm
spot there wouldn't be anything left!!!! Haha Then Tech Janice told me
that she couldn't find the spot where the biopsy was to be taken from.
She was gonna go show the doc who was gonna be doing it an he may want
to come to it again just to be sure.
She came in a few minutes later an says They can't do biopsy because
there was nothing there to get one from. BOY was I dancin a jig!!!!!!
Now we're waiting to hear from Dr.Heckmeyer to see what tha next step
is. But I might try to call her this morning because I have a painful
elbow. I think it arthritis but not sure...... It been botherin me since
I helped my friend Carmen pack to move. It was hurting when I last saw
Dr.Heckmeyer but I thought it was just sore from all of the pulling an
lifting. I thought it would get better so I didn't mention it to her.
Anyways.... got to tell you how GOOFY I am.... BWAAAAAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!
I go outta the clinic an am anxious to get home. So I decided since
the lil Dart trolley cars go to terminal I would just catch it an ride
to terminal. BOY WAS I WRONG!!!!!! HAHAAAA!!! I got on the lil Blue
dart trolley car an rode all over town. HAHA!!!! SO when it was going
back an I got to the street that was close to the terminal I got off the
trolley car an walked 4 blocks.....THEN!!!!!! Just as I was getting to
the street corner across from the terminal I saw the 28 bus which is
the bus that goes from terminal to wally marts I ran like crazy to get
to the bus stop!!!!! Bwaaaaaaaahaha can yall picture me running an my
fluff bouncing all over!!!!!
Soooooo I get on the bus an ride to wally marts.... I go in to pick up
a few things. When I came out I almost missed the 25 bus THANKS
TO ONE OF THE THINGS I CanN"T RESIST!!!! BWAAAAAAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!
Care ta guess what it is?
DO SI DOES!!!!! AND CAFE COOKIES!!!!!
YOU guess it right!!! GIRL SCOUT COOKIES!!!!!
A lady who works in wally mart was out there with her lil girl selling
em. The Lady always has a smile an talks to me when I go in there.
Anyway after I paid for em I started for the bus stop and saw
the bus pull up so she started RUNNING LIKE MAD across the wally mart
parking lot. Yelling to the guys who just got off of it to STOPPIT!!!!!!
HAHA I WAS RUNNING TO GET ON!!!!! BWAAAAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!
Imagine Me & all my fluffiness running like mad!!!!! I never knew I
could run that fast..... I was determined that I was NOT gonna sit there
for another hour!!! LOL
When I got home I cleaned up the kitchen an dusted a bit in the
living room then took a nap.
Ok now I will be going to urologyst on Monday. Unless I have to
reschedule it. Their already predciting rain for Monday and I refuse
to go to the doctor when it is raining mainly because I will have to
walk in the rain to the bus stop but mostly because I don't wanna be
stuck down there again till 8 pm like I was a couple years ago.
I feel very Blessed. I'll let you know about Monday.
Have a Blessed Day!!
**Huggles**
Melissa

Happy dancing with you too.
Mj
Catherine Clark <cccquilter@...
I had my first appointment with Dr. Alan Bain in downtown Chicago
today! I am a happy camper tonight! He is running full blood and saliva testing
and fasting glucose. Thyroid tests to be run will be TSH, FT3, FT4 plus he is
checking for anti-bodies to rule out Hashi's. He is leaning towards insulin
resistance and carbohydrate intolerance; also checking for PCOS.
What is more important, he listened to me, believed me, and was impressed with
MY knowledge! He said that we could work to get me well!
Cathy C., who is doing the happy dance!

Flouride is only one of the ways in which we are slowly poisoned.
But I also believe that we would be more able to handle some of the
chemical insult if we lived more in accordance with nature. We provide
the internal terrain for disease processes by not taking proper care of
our bodies.

I really really liked Dr Bain, very good doc and knowledgable.

Everyones so quiet lately.. here's something to rehash and ponder.. Has anyone
ever thought that the growing american wasteline is due to them flouridating the
water? Flouride IS how hyperthyroidism was treated and so one would assume it
would aggrevate an average or low thyroid. I personally use unflouridated
toothpaste and drink distilled water only and avoid tea. I recently found out
when I got really sick I was living in a town with flouridated water (found out
from a newspaper reprimanding portland for not flouridating their water and how
the small town i was in, was). I found I would have horendous bladder pain when
drinking the tap water. I ended up drinking a gallon of cranberry juice a day
(cause its good for the bladder) to try to remedy myself lol but if you have
real bladder disease like IC its the worst you can do for it. Anyway, it seems
odd to me that anyone would think of drinking flouridated water to make their
teeth stronger but make themselves fatter and more lethargic and achey. I think
I would rather have dentures than feel like I do.
----- Original Health Warning: The Thyroid and Fluoride.
Fluoride Action Network
September 21, 2003
Health Warning: The Thyroid and fluoride.
by Paul Connett, PhD
Dear All,
The literature dealing with the interaction between fluoride and
the thyroid gland has a very long history, stretching back to a paper written in
1854 by Maumene who linked goiter in dogs with exposure to fluoride. The
following URL links to a summary of that history
http://www.bruha.com/pfpc/html/thyroid_history.html
I do not pretend to know enough about either this history or the
detailed functioning of the thyroid gland to offer much insight into this issue.
However, it is an extremely important area and it warrants far more attention
from governments promoting fluoridation than it currently receives, which is
practically zero! Millions of Americans are impacted by thyroid dysfunction, and
if only a small fraction of these have their condition caused by, or worsened
by, fluoride it is a very serious matter indeed.
There are four important lines of evidence that fluoride
interferes with the thyroid gland.
1) The condition known as "goiter" which involves a gross swelling
of the thyroid gland, which in turn produces very marked swellings in the neck,
is known to be caused by iodine deficiency. However, it has also been found to
occur in areas where there are adequate supplies of iodine, but where there's an
excess fluoride in the water.
2) Starting in the 1930s and continuing through to the late 1950's
sodium fluoride was used to lower the activity of the thyroid gland for those
suffering from hyperthyroidism (i.e. over active thyroid gland). The obvious
question then becomes, if fluoride lowers the activity of an overactive thyroid
gland what does it do to a normal or underactive thyroid gland?
3) It has been known for a long time that one of the consequences
of iodine deficiency in mothers is an increased risk of mental retardation in
their children. With the advent of iodized salt, this is a less frequent
occurrence in industrialized countries. However, studies from China indicate
that even a moderate amount of fluoride exposure can exacerbate the effects of
low iodide's impacts on the developing brain.
4) It has been known for a long time that fluoride mimics the
action of the thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH). Because TSH sends its message
across the cell membrane of the thyroid gland via G-proteins, a candidate
mechanism for fluoride's action would be fluoride's well established ability
(See reviews by Strunecka & Patocka, 1999; and Li, 2003), in the presence of a
trace amount of aluminum, to switch on G-proteins.
Taking these lines of evidence one at a time.
1) Endemic Goiter (also spelled goitre) and fluoride.
In a 90 page report entitled "Endemic Goitre in the Union of South
Africa and some Neighbouring Territories", prepared for the Department of
Nutrition for the South African government, Dr. Douw Steyn and colleagues
concluded that there were two separate causes for endemic goiter. In their
summary, they state:
"In the Union of South Africa endemic goitre is caused by: (1) a
primary iodine deficiency in the drinking water and soil, and most probably in
the food; and (2) excessive quantities of fluorine in subterranean
drinking-water in spite of super sufficiency of iodine in the waters."
The areas with endemic goiter caused by excess fluoride were
located in the Northwest part of South Africa. In 1999, Jooste et al repeated
Steyn's findings when they reported endemic goiter in the absence of iodine
deficiency in schoolchildren of the Northern Cape Province. A similar
relationship between excess fluoride exposure and goiter has been reported in
England (Wilson 1941), in Kenja (Obel 1982), in the Punjab region of India
(Wilson 1941), in Nepal (Day and Powell-Jackson, 1972) and in Gujarat, India
(Desai 1993). Other studies, however, have failed to find this relationship (see
Burgi 1984).
2) Treating hyperthyroidism with sodium fluoride tablets.
What is striking about the doses of fluoride used to treat
hyperthyroidism is how small they were. Galletti and Joyet (1958) found that a
daily dose of just 2 to 10 mg of fluoride per day was enough to reduce the basal
metabolism rate (BMR) of hyperthyroid patients and alleviate their condition.
This is within the range of doses that many people living in fluoridated areas
will ingest. The US Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS,1991)
estimates that an adult in a fluoridated community receives between 1.6 and 6.6
mg of fluoride per day from all sources combined.
In a World Health Organization review (Fluoride and Health, WHO,
1970), Semole cites evidence from Korrodi et al (1956) that, in normal human
subjects, fluorides have no effect on the thyroid. He then asks:
"Why does sodium fluoride exert a mild antithyroidal effect in
hyperthyroidic patients if it is inactive in normal persons? Nobody knows."
However, the claim that fluoride has no effect on normal thyroid
function may have been premature. According to a study conducted by Bachinskii
(1985), prolonged consumption of water with 2.3 ppm fluoride produced changes in
thyroid function, not only in people with hyperthyroidism but in people with
normal thyroid function as well. Bachinskii writes in the abstract of his paper:
"Altogether 123 persons were examined: 47 healthy persons, 43
patients with thyroid hyperfunction and 33 with thyroid hypofunction. It was
established that prolonged consumption of drinking water with a raised fluorine
content (122 +/- 5 mumol/l with the normal value of 52 +/- 5 mumol/l) by healthy
persons caused tension of function of the pituitary-thyroid system that was
expressed in TSH elevated production, a decrease in the T3 concentration and
more intense absorption of radioactive iodine by the thyroid as compared to
healthy persons who consumed drinking water with the normal fluorine
concentration. The results led to a conclusion that excess of fluorine in
drinking water was a risk factor of more rapid development of thyroid
pathology."
3. Lowering of IQ in China.
It is well established that the pituitary/thyroid system is
important in the early mental development of children thus if fluoride
interfered with the thyroid it could, among other things, result in lowered IQ
in children. In this respect, the results of a UNICEF sponsored study of mental
retardation, IQ and thyroid hormone status in children in areas endemically low
in iodide are particularly revealing. Lin Fa-Fu et al. (1991) found in one
region of China that even a modest amount of fluoride in the water (i.e. 0.91
ppm versus 0.34 ppm) led to an even greater reduction in IQ and the frequency of
mental retardation, than simply low iodide by itself.
2) Yang et al (1994) further investigated the effect of iodide and
fluoride on IQ and hormonal status in areas of high iodide and high fluoride.
From their study the authors concluded that their results "indicate that high
iodine and high fluorine exert severe damage to human body." Compared to
controls, children had higher dental fluorosis rates; markedly lower iodine-131
uptake; higher serum TSH levels, and slightly lower average IQ, with 16.7%
placed in a category labeled "low intelligent." We only have the abstract in
English, the rest of the paper is in Chinese.
4. TSH, fluoride and G-proteins.
Just how fluoride impacts the thyroid gland is not clear. We know
that, in the presence of a trace amount of aluminum, fluoride switches on
G-proteins, thus sending messages normally delivered by water soluble hormones.
TSH is one of the water soluble hormones which is mimicked by aluminum fluoride.
But the puzzling thing about this is that one would expect that this would lead
to an activation of the thyroid gland not deactivation (as in the case of
someone with hypothyroidism).
A clue to this puzzle may have come in 1994 in a paper by
Tezelmann et al. These researchers using Chinese hamster ovary cells, report
that fluoride increases intracellular cAMP concentration (the secondary
messenger produced as a result of switching on G-proteins), but the end result
was desensitization of the receptor for the thyroid stimulating hormone (TSHr).
In other words, the fluoride begins by stimulating the cell but the end result
was that it led the cell to become less responsive to the normal stimulation by
TSH. The authors state that, "Desensitization or decreased response to the same
(homologous) or other stimuli (heterologous) is a well known process. Homologous
desensitization to TSH has been demonstrated in normal thyroid tissue."
I will be returning to the activation of G-proteins in a later
health warning as well as its ability to lower IQ in another.
Meanwhile, various recent government sponsored reviews have given
this topic very short shrift. The York Review (McDonagh et al., 2000) looked at
only two of the goiter studies (Jooste, 1999 and Gedalia, 1963). They didn't use
a weight of evidence approach, bringing in the clinical and biochemical studies
above. The Irish Fluoridation Forum (2002) didn't do any review of primary
studies on health except dental fluorosis and four bone fracture studies. The
CDC (1999) reviewed no health studies beyond citing the NRC (1993) review and
the NRC(1993) review didn't consider impacts on the thyroid system, nor did the
First draft of the WHO review (Environmental Health Criteria 227: Fluorides,
2002).
I welcome any corrections or comments, especially if readers know
of any government review since WH0 (1970) that has discussed fluoride's impact
on the thyroid gland.

Hallo allemaal,
Speciaal voor de whiplashlijst van WI ontvingen we een interessant artikel
uit de verzekeringswereld en wel uit "De Beursbengel 2003". Marjon Vloet
heeft het netjes voor ons uitgewerkt, zie hieronder:
Het PIV is in 5 jaar hét gezicht van de bedrijfstak geworden als het om
letselschade gaat. Dat is meer dan alleen het beoogde kennisinstituut. Een
gesprek met hét gezicht van het PIV: Theo Kremer.
WHIPLASH BESTAAT.
Maar je kunt er ook kwalen mee witwassen.
Een interview met Theo Kremer, directeur van het PIV door Mr. I. van Velzen
Mr. F. Th. Kremer, ooit vermaard diskjockey in Twente is sinds 5 jaar
(de eerste) directeur van de Stichting Personenschade Instituut van
Verzekeraars, in het spraakgebruik het PIV. Na enige tijd accountancy te
hebben gestudeerd trok de juristerij. Met verstand van getallen en van
recht lijkt het verzekeringsbedrijf geen onlogische keus. In de tijd dat
Theo Kremer bij Nationale Nederlanden werkte op het gebied van
brandverzekering promoveerde hij op het indemniteitsbeginsel: niet
zozeer, zo schat de redactie, vanuit een verzekeraarseigen ongerustheid
om teveel te betalen, maar vanuit de gedachte dat er wel ergens een
grens ligt waarbij de bevoordeling onredelijk groot kan worden. Daarna
koos hij voor letselschade. Nog nat van het douchen na het hardlopen
-'dat doe ik om mijn ietwat Bourgondische levensstijl mogelijk te
maken'- spraken wij met elkaar.
**Verzekeraars hebben geen goede pers bij personenschade. In je jaarverslag
spreek je over negatieve publiciteit en het mediacircus. Verzekeraars
reageren niet altijd handig.**
We hebben op dat punt een kwetsbaar image. Het ligt misschien wel een beetje
in de aard van het beestje, net als bij de belastingen. Je zult aks
verzekeraar altijd een beetje het imago houden van: áls ze het binnen moeten
halen zijn ze er snel bij, maar op het moment dat ze uit moeten betalen doen
ze alle moeite om dat te voorkomen'. Daar zul je nooit helemaal van af
komen, ook al gaat het in de praktijk meestal wel goed. We doen er dan ook
veel aan om de kwaliteit van het regelingsproces te optimaliseren.
**Je moet ook weer niet het imago willen van: ' wij betalen alles'. vind
ik.**
Nou ... er is altijd een spanningsveld. Dat is er altijd als je een halende
en een betalende partij hebt. Dat is ook niet erg. Waar wij wel eens
tekortschieten is in de voorlichtende rol. Als je nu maar in het begin
uitlegt waarom een letselschaderegeling 2 of 3 jaar kan duren, dan is dat al
een hele verbetering. Uit onderzoek blijkt dat een van de grootste problemen
van het slachtoffer niet is dat het zo lang duurt, dat is ook wel vervelend,
maar dat hij in onzekerheidos. Niet alleen onzekerheid over wat verzekeraars
doen, maar ook over artsen en zijn eigen belangenbehartiger. Die
belangenbehartiger heeft het ook druk en soms is het voor hem dan
verleidelijk om te zeggen: 'ja, die verzekeraar hè,...'
Maar dat is niet het enige. We hebben bedrijfsregeling 15 waarin termijnen
en normen vastliggen, waar verzekeraars zich aan willen houden, juist omdat
het slachtoffer centraal moet staan. We leggen de lat alweer wat hoger en
misschien dat die inmiddels nog hoger kan. Binnen het NNP (Nationaal
Platform Personenschade, red.) leeft dat ook heel sterk: er wordt gedacht
aan een website en een callcenter. Maar die eerst fase is het belangrijkste.
**Toch: ook als een verzekeraar gelijk heeft, geeft hij regelmatig
Breekijzer zijn zin. Is dat nu verstandig?**
Ik denk niet dat je daarin moet treden. Breekijzer is ook niet de grootste
bedreiging: dat zijn incidentele gevallen. Uit een database met honderden of
duizenden gevallen kun je altijd wel een incident pikken, waarbij een
verzekeraar een te bekritiseren rol speelt. Als oud brandverzekeraar kan ik
wel zeggen dat als je bijv. naar de redactie van sommige
waterschadeclausules kijkt er altijd wel een andere uitleg mogelijk is. Maar
je moet kijken naar de routing. Als je heel lang zit te steggelen over een
schade met: ík doe het niet, ik doe het niet' en uiteindelijk doe je het
toch, dan zeg ik: had het eerder gedaan, dan had je publicitair verlies
kunnen voorkomen en jezelf een hoop sores bespaard.
Bepalender vind ik programma's als Radar. Daar zit een heel panel, wordt één
microgeval macro getrokken en worden kijkers opgeroepen om te bellen met het
callcenter in de studio. Dat leidt tot veel telefoontjes, waarbij op basis
van eenzijdige verhalen allerlei misstanden worden gesuggereerd. Bij de
Stichting de Ombudsman heeft zo'n uitzending aanleiding gegeven om een paar
honderd van die dossiers te bekijken. Daar is onlangs een expertmeeting over
gehouden onder leiding van Gerrit Terpstra, de CDA - senator. Centraal stond
daarbij: hoe kan een letselschadeslachtoffer de schadeafwikkelingsprocedure
zo efficiënt mogelijk doorlopen zonder dat de belangen van overige partijen
de boventoon gaan voeren? De Stichting de Ombudsman concludeerde dat er een
tendens van juridisering en verharding is van het schaderegelingproces bij
de verschillende partijen. De schaderegeling komt daardoor in een
conflictueuze sfeer met patstellingen, met take it or leave it aanbiedingen.
Een redelijke oplossing raakt steeds meer uit beeld, als het slachtoffer
niet centraal staat. Ik ga je nu vertellen wat ik daar gezegd heb.
**Even tussendoor, die procedures: jullie laten de Universiteit Tilburg daar
toch onderzoek naar doen?**
Ja, we zijn daar op verschillende vlakken mee bezig.
**Maar je hebt gezegd ...?**
We zijn het wel een beetje eens met die conclusie van De Ombudsman.
Advocaten zullen wel zeggen dat het vooral de schuld is van advocaten en
medici, en medici wijten het weer aan de juristen, maar over die stelling
zelf is iedereen het wel eens. Nou, dan moet je het niet meer over de
schuldvraag hebben, maar over de oplossing. Dus ik heb gezegd dat ik dit
beeld wel herken. Ik denk ook dat verzekeraars herder zijn geworden bij
letselschade, maar met uitzondering voor de lichtere letsels. Daar zijn
verzekeraars juist soepeler geworden. Verzekeraars steggelen niet over een
paar honderd euro. Die zaken vallen buiten het zicht, omdat die meestal
buiten het expertisecircuit worden afgewikkeld, heel vaak telefonisch. Dus
als je praat over verharding dan moet je die onderkant -en dan praat je over
grote aantallen- er wel afhalen.
Het tweede wat ik gezegd heb is dat advocaten bij de zaken aan de bovenkant
in toenemende mate de grenzen van het recht verkennen. Daar heb ik geen
probleem mee, dat is hun recht, maar advocaten mogen niet verwachten dat
verzekeraars daarin klakkeloos meegaan. Verzekeraars baseren zich op het
geldend recht. En om dan te zeggen: 'die verzekeraars doen zo moeilijk' :
ja, dat is niet helemaal eerlijk.
En het derde dat ik gezegd heb is dat je die verharding vooral ziet bij
whiplash en daar zie je ook hele bijzondere gevallen. Jonge mensen van net
twintig, die bij een onbenullige blikschade, nauwelijks een deuk in het
spatbord, meteen via hun advocaat laten weten dat ze tot hun 85e niet meer
kunnen werken. Dat is heel gek. Ik sluit niet uit dat er gevallen zijn, die
uiteindelijk ernstig blijken, maar ik vind het gek dat slachtoffers van een
geringe botsing op hun 20e al weten dat zij tot hun 65e niet meer kunnen
werken. Dat een verzekeraar dan zegt: ík betaal je een jaar of anderhalf
jaar uit en dan bekijken we het opnieuw,' dat vind ik begrijpelijk. Let wel:
je hoort me niet zeggen dat whiplash niet bestaat. We weten daar nog steeds
weinig van.
Maar wát er van te weten valt, heb ik wel geleerd in de meer dan tien jaar
dat ik er mee bezig ben. De nek is kwetsbaar en in het nek-schoudergebied
zitten veel kleine vaatjes en zenuwtjes waar wat mee kan zijn en waarvan
niets op een foto is te zien. Maar ook: whiplash is een prachtig mechanisme
om bestaande klachten een beetje mee te witten. Je ziet dat ook bij RSI:
mensen met een arbeidsconflict hebben veel meer RSI, dan mensen zinder
arbeidsconflict. Ik zeg dat om aan te geven waarom verzekeraars wat herder
worden. Het is niet de bedoeling van het PIV om verzekeraars te bewegen nu
maar alles te betalen.
De keus tussen het harmoniemodel of het strijdperkmodel bij de
schaderegeling is niet alleen aan de verzekeraar, maar ook aan het
slachtoffer en zijn belangenbehartiger. Bepleit het PIV het harmoniemodel?
Je hebt de keus niet altijd. Je kunt het harmoniemodel makkelijker hanteren
naarmate het letsel meer te objectiveren is. Bij een dwarslaesie ontstaan
niet zo snel problemen. Je kunt het wat over carrièrekansen hebben, zeker
als het jonge mensen zijn, maar veel meer niet. Problemen doen zich eerder
voor als het letsel niet te objectiveren is: whiplash, RSI, psychisch
letsel. Dan kom je bijna per definitie in het conflictmodel.
**Maar toch... de keus heeft ook consequenties voor het slachtoffer; een
strijd kun je makkelijker verliezen en met het harmoniemodel bevorder je het
tevredenheidsgevoel.**
Harmoniemodel klinkt prachtig, maar je zit altijd in het spanningsveld van
een helende en een brengende partij. Met grote belangen, zeker voor het
slachtoffer. Voor verzekeraars is een dossier een dossier, één van de 40 of
50.000 verkeersletsels per jaar. Voor het slachtoffer is het een eenmalige,
traumatische ervaring. Die zit daar qua beleving heel anders in. Voor het
harmoniemodel moet je elkaar kunnen vertrouwen, in elkaar geloven. De
belangenbehartiger kan daar een masserende werking in hebben. Als
verzekeraar heb je toch met die belangenbehartiger te maken. Maar hij mag
het slachtoffer niet voor je afschermen.
**moeten verzekeraars meer met mediation gaan doen?**
Mediation is nog nieuw in de personenschaderegeling. Ik weet dat mijn oude
maatschappij daar mee bezig is en zo een aantal zaken heeft opgelost. Ik
denk dat het een goed middel is, maar het is nog te onbekend. Het zou meer
beproefd moeten worden.
**Ligt daar een rol voor het PIV?**
Dat onderzoek van de Universiteit Tilburg kijkt onder andere naar
alternatieve vormen van geschillenbeslechting. Daar komen meer varianten
naar voren. Zo wordt ook gedacht aan een hervorming van het procesrecht. Eén
van de voorstellen die ik heel aardig vind, is het instellen van een
spreekuur bij de rechter. Gewoon samen er heen gaan en dan een kwartier of
een half uur praten. In die tijd zal de rechter geen oplossing bieden, maar
misschien wel laten blijken wie nu het meest gelijk heeft. Daar geloof ik
erg in.
**Moet zo'n rechter, en dat geldt ook voor een mediator, wat van het vak
weten? Gerrit Hulsbergen pleit daarvoor.**
Dat onderwerp leeft wel: is materiekennis nu een voordeel of juist een
nadeel? Ik ben het wel met Gerrit eens. Maar het belangrijkste blijft voor
mij de persoon van de mediator? in hoeverre speelt hij het klaar om
vertrouwen te bewerkstelligen. Als je kijkt naar de letselzaken die
vastlopen, dan gaat het bijna altijd om het vertrouwen en niet over de
hoogte van rekenrente of zo. En het aardige van mediation bij letselschade
is dat je het nooit over alles oneens bent. Dus je kunt werken vanuit de
punten waar je het over eens bent. De problemen benoem je wel, maar die
parkeer je even. Voor echt principiële zaken, affectieschade en zo, heb je
wel de rechter nodig. Als er nooit meer rechterlijke uitspraken komen en
alles gaat maar via mediation, dan is dat voor die zaken zelf wel goed, maar
niet voor het vak. Voor het vak heb je af en toe ook een arrest nodig om
weer een nieuw kader te scheppen.
**Ben je nu niet teveel de jurist? Een kader kun je toch ook scheppen buiten
rechter en wetgever om? net zoals verzekeraars al heel lang begrafeniskosten
betaalden, doordat dat in de wet kwam?**
Natuurlijk, maar dat lukt niet altijd. Aan twee kanten zijn er altijd
partijen die meer willen of juist minde. En de wetgever of de Hoge Raad
gelden toch over het algemeen als een onverdachte hoek. Je ziet al een
aantal jaren dat de sociale zekerheid wordt afgebouwd. Balkenende en De Geus
zijn daar heel actief mee. Maar de consument wil zijn luxe niet kwijt, dus
die afbouw schept een private markt. Krijg je dat nu ook via het
aansprakelijkheidsrecht voor je kiezen?
Onmiskenbaar is dat een van de redenen van het gewijzigde claimgedrag. Het
persoonlijk belang van het slachtoffer is veel groter dan vroeger. Faure en
Hartlief zeggen dat ook.
**Gaan rechters daar gemakkelijk in mee?**
Rechters zien uiteindelijk maar weinig letselschade. Kijk: als je vroeger
10.000 gulden letselschade had, dan kreeg je 8.000 vergoed door het
ziekenfonds en andere sociale voorzieningen. Dan dachten mensen soms: 'laat
die laatste 2.000 maar zitten.' Om daar nu veel moeite voor te gaan doen met
advocaten en zo, daar hadden ze geen zin in. Als je nu nog maar 4.000 gulden
vergoed krijgt, dan stimuleert dat om een claim in te dienen. Daar komt bij
dat de maatschappij veel materialistische is geworden en de drempel naar
rechtshulpverleners veel lager. Rechtshulpverleners acquireren, bieden no
cure no pay.
**Wat vind je van no cure no pay?**
Lastig. Je moet er niet te dramatisch over doen. Ik denk dat het ethisch
aspect niet overtrokken moet worden. Op dit moment zie je ook dat advocaten
soms een financieel belang hebben. Het instituut van de voorwaardelijke
toevoeging is daar een goed voorbeeld van. Nou, daar heb ik nog nooit iemand
een ethisch bezwaar over horen maken. Belangrijk is dat no cure no pay niet
wordt aangepraat aan mensen die het eigenlijk niet nodig hebben. Situaties
waarbij de aansprakelijkheidskwestie niet of nauwelijks speelt. Die kunnen
onder het huidige stelsel van buitengerechtelijke kosten prima toe. Dan zou
het toch echt een vorm van diefstal zijn als de belangenbehartiger 20 of
25% van de schade gaat afromen. Maar er zijn gevallen waarbij het veel
moeilijker ligt: medische beroepsaansprakelijkheid, productaansprakelijkheid
en massaschade, zoals Enschede en Volendam, waar vaak veel onderzoek nodig
is voor het aansprakelijkheidsvraagstuk. Binnen de Orde van Advocaten wordt
nu over no cure no pay gesteggeld; dat wordt een ja mits of een nee tenzij.
Dat maakt dus niet uit, dat is een semantische discussie. Maar met voldoende
waarborgen en een goede voorlichting, zodat no cur no pay alleen gebruikt
wordt in zaken, waarbij dat in het voordeel is van het slachtoffer en met
een zekere regulering van de beloning, zodat je niet van die Amerikaanse
percentages krijgt, denk ik dat de maatschappij daar wel mee kan leven.
**Een nieuwe trend in de personenschade: schimmelschadeaansprakelijkheid.
Hoe pro-actief is het PIV?**
Waar ik aan moest denken is dat we een aantal jaren geleden ook opgeschrikt
zijn door het sick-building syndroom. Daar hoor ik nooit meer wat van. Ik
ben bang dat dit ook weer zo'n schadeoorzaak is, die gaat worden aangegrepen
door mensen met doorgaans niet te objectiveren klachten. Mensen die niet van
achteren zijn aangereden en niet achter de computer zitten en die dan kunnen
zeggen: 'ja, in mijn kamer zitten er allerlei groene plekken op de vloer.'
Ik weet het niet. Ik ga er op dit moment nog niets mee doen. Ik zal het wel
eens ter sprake brengen in mijn contacten met herverzekeraars.
**We hebben in het voorjaar het arrest Baby Kelly gehad, overwrongful life.
Een paar weken later was over dat vraagstuk een bijeenkomst in de Balie. Het
viel me op dat ik daar wel politici zag, rechters, letselschadeadvocaten -
John Beer en Sluiters speelden mee - maar geen PIV. Zou je daar nu ook niet
moeten zijn?**
De zaak kelly vind ik niet zozeer een juridisch probleem, maar meer een
ethisch probleem. Ik vind het ook geen probleem van verzekeraars. Je praat
over uitzonderlijke situaties. Je moet de rol van verzekeraars niet
overschatten. Verzekeraars moeten zich geen mening aanmatigen over het
recht. Verzekeraars moeten ook geen standpunt willen hebben over
affectieschade. Ze moeten wel zeggen: als Nederland vindt dat dit soort
schade vergoed moet worden, dan heeft dat deze consequenties, bijvoorbeeld
premieconsequenties. En verzekeraars moeten aangeven wat de noodzakelijke
randvoorwaarden zijn en of iets überhaupt te verzekeren valt. Daarom heb ik
bij affectieschade gepleit voor genormeerde bedragen, ook richting Justitie.
Je moet er toch niet aan denken, dat je straks discussie gaat krijgen over
hoe hoog iemands affectieschade is. Dáár moet je pro-actief in zijn.
Maar je moet als verzekeraar voorzichtig zijn met je voor of tegen
maatschappelijke ontwikkelingen uit te spreken. Affectieschade vind ik
trouwens ook wel reëel. Ik zeg het maar even plastisch: als je een been
kwijt raakt krijg je wel smartengeld en als je je partner kwijt raakt niet?
Maar als een kind vindt dat het niet geboren had mogen worden: dat is geen
juridisch vraagstuk, dat is een ethische kwestie. Ik vind dat hier geen
schadevergoeding past. Ik ben heel blij met wat in Frankrijk gebeurd is,
Waar de wetgever de Hoge Raad heeft overruled. Maar goed dat Montesquieu dat
niet meegemaakt heeft, die had dat misschien niet goed gevonden.
**Even terug naar dat claimgedrag en de gedachte dat het allemaal steeds
erger wordt. Rieme-Jan Tjittes constateert bij de Hoge Raad juist een lijn
van terughoudendheid bij de uitbreiding van aansprakelijkheid. Hij spreekt
over een maatschappelijke afkeer van claimende rokers, Margaritha e.d. De
omkeerarresten wijzen ook in die richting. Vind jij dat ook?**
In mijn laatste jaarverslag zeg ik: 'Men kan zich afvragen of de
slachtofferbescherming in het Nederlands recht niet haar hoogtepunt heeft
bereikt.' Ik heb daarbij gezegd dat de rokersclaim daarin heel bepalend is.
Alleen het feit dat je iets gebruikt dat op zich ongezond is, mag nooit
daarom tot een claim kunnen leiden. In Amerika zijn er dikke mensen, die
McDonald's aansprakelijk stellen: daar gaat zelfs in Amerika de rechter niet
in mee. Die rokersclaim is een belangrijk ijkpunt. Als die wordt afgewezen,
voel ik me bevestigd dat we het hoogtepunt hebben bereikt.
vriendelijke groeten
Wouter van Eldik
organisatie & informatie

For those of you that are interested to hear what the ITPA is all about,
this is what Sheila Turner (Owner of TPA-UK) has to say:

I had my first appointment with Dr. Alan Bain in downtown Chicago today! I am a
happy camper tonight! He is running full blood and saliva testing and fasting
glucose. Thyroid tests to be run will be TSH, FT3, FT4 plus he is checking for
anti-bodies to rule out Hashi's. He is leaning towards insulin resistance and
carbohydrate intolerance; also checking for PCOS.
What is more important, he listened to me, believed me, and was impressed with
MY knowledge! He said that we could work to get me well!
Cathy C., who is doing the happy dance!

What a chin up woman and how well you do it!!
MJ
LadyBchn@... wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I hope all is well with you all. I just thought I would let you all
know that I finally got a date for the biopsy that Dr.Heckemeyer has
ordered. I go on March 7th @ 10:00 am. Their gonna do a Fine Needle
Apiration under UltraSound. OH JOY!!!! LOL
I sure hope they can find that teeny lil 8mm spot. LOL Then I go see
her 2 weeks later to find out if I'll need more surgery or another
treatment. I am praying for treatment.
Anyway a lil problem I have with my calcium Dr.Heckemeyer has increased
my calcium intake because my calcium levels have dropped. It was my
fault tho because every time I am taken off my regular meds to get ready
for my body scan for some reason I forget to take it(you all know how
much I have to take ....... four 650mg tablets four times a day) and I
have a hard time getting it back on track. I had also decided that I
was gonna only take it once or twice a day when I started back taking
it. So today she told her nurse to call an tell me to take six 650mg
four times a day until my levels were back up.
Another thing I had also heard that taking massive amounts of calcium
could effect your kidneys. SO since I am worried about that obstruction
in my left kidney...... that was another reason I had decided to stop
taking so much calcium. Guess I'll go back to taking it So starting in
the morning I'll start back taking them four times a day. :(
I have decided to continue to take 2 of the cranberry pills three times
a day to help with my kidneys. I think if I take them like that it will
help me too.
I see the Urologyst on March 12th. Well..... that's how it stands so
far. Will try to keep you all updated. I hope all is well with you all.
**Huggles**
Melissa

Hi Everyone,
I hope all is well with you all. I just thought I would let you all
know that I finally got a date for the biopsy that Dr.Heckemeyer has
ordered. I go on March 7th @ 10:00 am. Their gonna do a Fine Needle
Apiration under UltraSound. OH JOY!!!! LOL
I sure hope they can find that teeny lil 8mm spot. LOL Then I go see
her 2 weeks later to find out if I'll need more surgery or another
treatment. I am praying for treatment.
Anyway a lil problem I have with my calcium Dr.Heckemeyer has increased
my calcium intake because my calcium levels have dropped. It was my
fault tho because every time I am taken off my regular meds to get ready
for my body scan for some reason I forget to take it(you all know how
much I have to take ....... four 650mg tablets four times a day) and I
have a hard time getting it back on track. I had also decided that I
was gonna only take it once or twice a day when I started back taking
it. So today she told her nurse to call an tell me to take six 650mg
four times a day until my levels were back up.
Another thing I had also heard that taking massive amounts of calcium
could effect your kidneys. SO since I am worried about that obstruction
in my left kidney...... that was another reason I had decided to stop
taking so much calcium. Guess I'll go back to taking it So starting in
the morning I'll start back taking them four times a day. :(
I have decided to continue to take 2 of the cranberry pills three times
a day to help with my kidneys. I think if I take them like that it will
help me too.
I see the Urologyst on March 12th. Well..... that's how it stands so
far. Will try to keep you all updated. I hope all is well with you all.
**Huggles**
Melissa

You will lose 10 lbs or more when you get off the soda - the sodium in them
makes you retain fluid, not to mention the calories - if you are drinking 10
a day - that is over a 1000 calories!!!!!
Also the diet soda has even more sodium and stuff in it - makes you retain
even more fluid.
Also, look up Splenda - I also though it was suppose to be better - made
from real sugar and all....
Turns out it is poison - and I mean really poison - the guy who invented it
was making poison..then he found out what he had made was sweet...found out
you can make more money selling 0 cal sweetener than you can pesticide....
Look up Splenda - or look in back issues of the thyroid group...there was a
huge discussion and info put up. Was very scary - the US Govt is just
soooooo ok will letting big companies add small amounts of poison to our
diets daily - they just figure if it doesn't kill you quickly it is ok in
small amounts!!!!
Money talks!!!
SeaLady

they make pepsi and coke with splenda now which is better than aspertame tho ive
heard claims splenda has issues too.. they are called pepsi one coke zero (i
think) they taste better than diet.. diet always had this chlorine taste to me
theres always snapple ;)

Okay I have gained 15 lbs over the past year.. and pretty upset.
I am a pepsi-aholic if you will! I have thought about trying diet but
now I ready we hypothyroid/hashi's arn't suppose to have artificial
sweetners like aspartame. Help!???

You can actually check this fairly accurately yourself with PH strips.
They are available at some health food stores and widely on the internet.
There are those that use blood, and those that use urine or saliva.
Many people with viral infections develop this as a result of increased
need for insulin. Many diabetics develop acidosis as a result of
chronic elevated blood sugar. Low oxygen levels, and dehydration also
contribute...(spending too much time inside, and being sedentary.)
I have a friend who works in a tire shop, and the constant exposure to
exhaust is believed to be the cause for his acidosis. (because of the
oxygen reduction of the carbon monoxide)
For me the most common symptoms are excess water retention, and
a very distinct change in the smell of my perspiration...kind of a
sweet acidy smell, and muscle weakness, sleepiness.

Aprilcupcake,
I have never even heard checking bloodwork for this. Checking the PH
is new to me. Does a family doc/Endo do this or a Holistic doc? I
am ready and willing to check into this. Does it cause any other
symptoms?
Thanks.
Barb

How much armour are you on?

Volkskrant donderdag 11 maart 2004. CPB: private WAO niet goedkoper
verslaggever Ferry Haan, geselecteerd en bewerkt voor Whiplash
Internetwerken
DEN HAAG - De beweringen van de verzekeraars dat ze op lange termijn 15
miljard euro kunnen besparen op de WAO en 30 procent meer werknemers laten
reïntegreren, zijn niet te onderbouwen. Dat concludeert het Centraal
Planbureau (CPB) in een vertrouwelijke studie voor het kabinet. Door deze
analyse is het onwaarschijnlijk dat het kabinet vrijdag besluit tot
privatisering van de WAO.
Het kabinet wikt en weegt al weken over het 'WAO-complex', zoals ambtenaren
het probleem noemen. De verzekeraars willen zich graag op de miljardenmarkt
van de WAO storten en hebben drie, steeds voordeligere, offertes ingediend.
Het UWV heeft ook scherpe offertes opgesteld.
Het CPB ziet de offertes echter meer als berekeningen. Het bureau waarschuwt
voor te optimistische uitgangspunten bij zowel de verzekeraars als het UWV.
Wanneer de premies in de toekomst omhoog moeten , is dat voor het UWV
gemakkelijker te realiseren dan voor de verzekeraars, meldt het CPB.
Voor het CPB valt echter niet goed uit te rekenen waar de WAO-premies het
laagst zullen uitvallen: bij de verzekeraars of bij het UWV. Op winst
gerichte verzekeraars zouden op lange termijn effiënter kunnen zijn dan het
logge UWV. Hierdoor kunnen de premies omlaag.
Aan de andere kant wordt de WAO dan versnipperd over meer verzekeraars,
waardoor schaalvoordelen verloren gaan. Bovendien moeten verzekeraars winst
maken, wat de premies zal opdrijven.
Het gevolg van al deze effecten kan het CPB niet bepalen. Het bureau noemt
het voordeel van privatisering daarom ongewis.
Verzekeraars wijzen op de lage premies die zij hebben geheven bij de
privatisering van de Ziektewet. Het CPB constateert echter dat deze premies
te laag waren gesteld, waarschijnlijk om marktaandeel te winnen. Een
premiestijging is daarom op termijn onvermijdelijk, denkt het CPB.
Het planbureau verwacht niet dat de privatisering van de WAO tot grotere
marktwerking zal leiden. De WAO-instroom is al behoorlijk gedaald door de
Wet Poortwachter en door de invoering van boetes voor werkgevers van wie
veel werknemers in de WAO terechtkomen. De grote efficiencywinst is hierdoor
al behaald.

ja dit komt me heel bekend voor. En wat dacht je van typen. ook zo lastig.
of telefoneren of gewoon autorijden zonder pijn.
Groetjes uit het schone Limburg van
Marie-José
Kijk ook eens op mijn homepage: http://home.hccnet.nl/leon.mariejose voor
leuke dingen.

I have been a hypothyroid since 8. I am on Armour. I have hot/cold
temperature extremes, sheding hair like a dog, fatigue, facial hair. I
have lived with symptoms and I am looking for a better medication,
vitamins,supplements, medical information that would help me feel
better or just confirmation that other thyroid patients live with
these problems.

I have been thryoid patient since 8. I am having extreme body
temperature swings causing body odor. I am on Armour. I experience
temperature extremes with the Armour. Does anyone have a solution? I
am appreciative of any information.

Some days are tough and some days are tougher..... your attitude is showing and
it looks great!!!!!!
love and support.
MJ
LadyBchn@... wrote:
Hi Everyone,
What a day I had yesterday. I was worn out as usual when I got home so I
just lazed around the house all afternoon. LOL It was so cold when I
left yesterday morning.
I wanted to let you all know what the doctor said yesterday. I went
early and was the first one she saw. She said first, according to the
reading of my CT scan there is some obstruction in my left kidney. She
says sometimes the ones who read them read more into it than what is
actually there, so just to be safe she is sending me to a Urologyst. I
go to see him in March. I told her I have never had any problems with
my kidneys even the 2 times I felt like I had a kidney infection she did
a urinalysis it turned out to be nothing. She said she remembered it
being nothing. I asked her if they would have caught that when I had the
pelvic Ultra sound back in June and she told me they would have if it
had been a really bad obstruction.
Then she told me about my thyroid situation. There is one teeny little
piece of thyroid tissue about 8mm in my neck. So for this she is
sending me over to the main hospital for a biopsy. She told me it was so
tiny that she didn't see how they could do it an they may just go ahead
with the RadioActive Iodine treatment. I'll find out one day next week
when I go for this. Her Assistant will call me. As for everything else,
my lungs and all it looked fine. My bloodpressure was even fine.
She told me I also have a gallstone, but since it's not bothering me she
isn't gonna worry about it. No need to fix something that isn't broken.
She told me she was sorry she didn't have any good news for me. I told
her that was alright I would muddle thru it all. God has brought me to
it an He'll bring me thru it I am sure.
I do feel blessed because my bloodpressure is fine and I could be in a
lot worse shape. I told her that I had cut back on the massive amount
of calcium I was having to take and told her I felt great. She said
just in case let's check your calcium. SO I'll find out the results of
that when her assistant calls me.
Just wanted to let you all know what was going on. I hope you all are
staying warm.
Have a Blessed Weekend!
**Huggles**
Melissa

Hi Yall,
De.Heckemeyer gave me copies of the reports to take with me to UAB when
I go over for them to do the biopsy. I typed up what all it says so you
can see it. All of these medical techno terms. LOL I'll never
understand em all LOL I tried to pronounce one of them when I was
talking to her an she said basically was what all she had told me LOL.
**Huggles**
melissa
CT report:
CT Thoracic w/o Contrast: No tumor mass is identified within the thyroid
area in the neck. There is no infiltrative process seen within the
lungs. There is some hilar adenopathy seen bilaterally which is probably
post inflammatory in origin. No infiltrative process is seen within the
lungs. There is a calcified gallstone seen within the gallbladder
viscus. There is distention of the renal pelvis on the left and appears
to be associated with obstructive uropathy on the left. No calculus is
identified.
Impression:
1) Cholelithiasis
2) Obstruction of renal pelvis on the left.

Hi Everyone,
What a day I had yesterday. I was worn out as usual when I got home so I
just lazed around the house all afternoon. LOL It was so cold when I
left yesterday morning.
I wanted to let you all know what the doctor said yesterday. I went
early and was the first one she saw. She said first, according to the
reading of my CT scan there is some obstruction in my left kidney. She
says sometimes the ones who read them read more into it than what is
actually there, so just to be safe she is sending me to a Urologyst. I
go to see him in March. I told her I have never had any problems with
my kidneys even the 2 times I felt like I had a kidney infection she did
a urinalysis it turned out to be nothing. She said she remembered it
being nothing. I asked her if they would have caught that when I had the
pelvic Ultra sound back in June and she told me they would have if it
had been a really bad obstruction.
Then she told me about my thyroid situation. There is one teeny little
piece of thyroid tissue about 8mm in my neck. So for this she is
sending me over to the main hospital for a biopsy. She told me it was so
tiny that she didn't see how they could do it an they may just go ahead
with the RadioActive Iodine treatment. I'll find out one day next week
when I go for this. Her Assistant will call me. As for everything else,
my lungs and all it looked fine. My bloodpressure was even fine.
She told me I also have a gallstone, but since it's not bothering me she
isn't gonna worry about it. No need to fix something that isn't broken.
She told me she was sorry she didn't have any good news for me. I told
her that was alright I would muddle thru it all. God has brought me to
it an He'll bring me thru it I am sure.
I do feel blessed because my bloodpressure is fine and I could be in a
lot worse shape. I told her that I had cut back on the massive amount
of calcium I was having to take and told her I felt great. She said
just in case let's check your calcium. SO I'll find out the results of
that when her assistant calls me.
Just wanted to let you all know what was going on. I hope you all are
staying warm.
Have a Blessed Weekend!
**Huggles**
Melissa

Being light sensitive can point to low adrenal function. You might want to check
your adrenals to see if they are stressed. I had multiple adrenal issues and was
EXTREMELY sensitive to light (noise also) and since I have been treating my
adrenal stress it has been better. There are self tests for adrenals at
http://stopthethyroidmadness.com or if you have a doc that has more than half a
brain and hasn't been brainwashed by big Pharma you can take a STIM test for
adrenal function.
Cathy C.

hi there
I am fairly newt o the group too. I am actually hyPER thyroid and was in
remmison for month until just thei a.m. I woke up wit the sore gravelly eyes.
Most likely form nhnot wearing my sunglasses fro weeks on end. so many of us are
photosensitive. Good reading!!
MJ
twinkletoes110 <twinkletoes110@...
Hi there,
Thank you for letting me join your group. I would like to read through
your messages first and will post mine another time! (There is so much
to read!!!)
Kind regards
Twinkletoes x

The results of the Hypothyroid Patient Survey as organised by TPA-UK are
now online.
Hypothyroid Patient Survey results
<http://homagetreble.bravehost.com/HypothyroidPatientSurveyResults.doc
Courtesy of The ArmourPack <http://armourpack.jconserv.net/
'anti TPA-UK forum'

Hi, call the pharmacy and ask which drs. prescribe Armour.
Joan

Brian,
Here are a few options for you to find an Armour-prescribing doctor:
a) go to the www.armourthyroid.com website and use their "doctor locator"
function on the webpage
b) go to the www.acam.org website and do the same thing (first up at top on the
toolbar, click "for the public" then "find a doctor")

I have HAD success with thyroid problem with low carb and exercising a
lot. I did the suzanne somers type of diet. I lost about 40 lbs in a
year which was good. I put it all back on b/c I had a baby last year,
but now I've had thyroid troubles again ever since and I feel so FAT!
Yikes, I am "sort of" evening out thyroid-wise, so I guess If I get
back on the Somersizing and working out, I suppose I lose about a
couple to few pounds a month.
Before thryoid I could lose 10lbs a month. This thing in my neck can
really suck I swear! But I do have a nodule..so maybe that is causing
some hormone blockage.

Wow, what a hard place to be in Brian.
I certainly applaud you for seeking help and looking for alternatives for
yourself. I think you have taken some definite good steps towards taking care
of yourself.
I would like to suggest seeking out some nutritional experts. Many foods aid
depression while many are prone to helping relieve it. All the family history
kinda' points to the need to see an Endocrinologist, if you have not already,
and be proactive in what you need. Thyroids function with other glands in the
body too. It may be you have a two or three fisted problem, and you are right
what is "normal" in a thyroid for one may be totally unacceptable for another.
I for one was heavily symptomatic with thyroid "problems " yet most tests
showed not a lot of problem most of the time. ( except Graves disease" and
goiter and nodules both "hot and inactive LOL what was not to have ??) Since I
have only had intermittent episodes of depression. I cannot off you much
knowledge, or many tips. But once upon a time I was schooling in psycho-biology
research. Many foods and the additives and processing can make things very
toxic for one person and only give the next person a discolored tongue. Many
"allergic reactions" to things are mental and physical. ( If I eat a certain
kind of cheese, I get rather agoraphobic and want to hide, I get so hyped up in
my brain. )
So check it out and see what you can add/eliminate to help you as much as
possible.
rooting for you
MJ
Brian Meeks <lutherbfree@...
I've been treated for depression 20 years and only one medication will
help, Nardil. Unfortunatly the formula was changed in 03 and it
stopped working by Sept 05. I have treatment resistent depression, my
mother has had a goiter removed, my great grandmother had 3 removed
and needed a trach, my uncle takes thyroid medication as well as my
cousin. I've had thyroid tests in the past and they were said to be
normal, but what is normal? Possibly what is normal for one person may
not be for another. Now I'm taking Lithium with EMSAM though I'm not
bipolar and have read Lithium can cause thyroid problems of all
things. I've tried every medication known for depression and they fail
to help with the exception for Nardil of the past. I started with
Atypical Depression in my teens, then Generalized Anxiety, Social
Anxiety and Dysthemia with overlapping Major Depression. How do I find
a doctor who will listen to me? Thank you for any help!

I've been treated for depression 20 years and only one medication will
help, Nardil. Unfortunatly the formula was changed in 03 and it
stopped working by Sept 05. I have treatment resistent depression, my
mother has had a goiter removed, my great grandmother had 3 removed
and needed a trach, my uncle takes thyroid medication as well as my
cousin. I've had thyroid tests in the past and they were said to be
normal, but what is normal? Possibly what is normal for one person may
not be for another. Now I'm taking Lithium with EMSAM though I'm not
bipolar and have read Lithium can cause thyroid problems of all
things. I've tried every medication known for depression and they fail
to help with the exception for Nardil of the past. I started with
Atypical Depression in my teens, then Generalized Anxiety, Social
Anxiety and Dysthemia with overlapping Major Depression. How do I find
a doctor who will listen to me? Thank you for any help!

many prayers for you and our love
MJ
LadyBchn@... wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I'm still trying to take in all that Dr.Heckemeyer told me this
afternoon.
She told me first that I have a gallstone. Then asked me if I had any
pain and I told her no. Then she told me that there was an obstruction
in one of my kidneys. Now this has me worried some. I told her that I
have Never had problems with my kidneys other than the once she treated
me for a kidney infection. Then she told me that the ones who read the
CTs sometimes reads more into it than their supposed to so she is gonna
get with them on Monday to go over it, but to be safe she is sending me
to a Urologyst(sp).
She then said about my thyroid situation...... She said first my lungs
an all are clean an look fine. However I have a couple of lymph nodes
that are enlarged.She said she was told that it's possible they are
inflammed from the radiation.....so she is checking into it. I forgot
to tell her I had a cold on the day I went for my CT. She says I do
need a second RadioActive Iodine treatment but we're gonna wait until
after the holidays.
She wants me to go ahead with the Ultra sound next Friday and she
also wants to do more bloodwork to recheck my Thyroglobulin.
We talked for a good while about all this and She told me not to worry
even tho it was very hard not to..... She is gonna call me soon as she
goes over the CT with the one who reads them. Even tho this thing with
my kidneys has come up I do feel very BLESSED that my lungs are clean
and I am ok otherwise.
Please continue to keep me in your prayers. I greatly appreciate it.
I know God is in control.
Thanks
God Bless you all
**Huggles**
Melissa

Hi Everyone,
I'm still trying to take in all that Dr.Heckemeyer told me this
afternoon.
She told me first that I have a gallstone. Then asked me if I had any
pain and I told her no. Then she told me that there was an obstruction
in one of my kidneys. Now this has me worried some. I told her that I
have Never had problems with my kidneys other than the once she treated
me for a kidney infection. Then she told me that the ones who read the
CTs sometimes reads more into it than their supposed to so she is gonna
get with them on Monday to go over it, but to be safe she is sending me
to a Urologyst(sp).
She then said about my thyroid situation...... She said first my lungs
an all are clean an look fine. However I have a couple of lymph nodes
that are enlarged.She said she was told that it's possible they are
inflammed from the radiation.....so she is checking into it. I forgot
to tell her I had a cold on the day I went for my CT. She says I do
need a second RadioActive Iodine treatment but we're gonna wait until
after the holidays.
She wants me to go ahead with the Ultra sound next Friday and she
also wants to do more bloodwork to recheck my Thyroglobulin.
We talked for a good while about all this and She told me not to worry
even tho it was very hard not to..... She is gonna call me soon as she
goes over the CT with the one who reads them. Even tho this thing with
my kidneys has come up I do feel very BLESSED that my lungs are clean
and I am ok otherwise.
Please continue to keep me in your prayers. I greatly appreciate it.
I know God is in control.
Thanks
God Bless you all
**Huggles**
Melissa

hi i am new to this group . does any one have an success losing weight.
what diets work best. thanks.

I was a member of this group about two years ago. I had to unsub just because
life go too busy to follow posts. Here is a brief history.
I was diagnosed with hashimoto's thyroiditis about 5 years ago. I had problems
with my thyroid for years prior but was always misdiagnosed. In July 2004, I had
a partial thyroidectomy for a golf ball sized nodule on my left lobe. I still
have my right lobe and it is multinodular. I had lost 30 lbs at the beginning of
the year but it all came back about 2 months ago. I just had bloodwork and my
tsh is 5.5. I asked for my free t4 anfd t3 but my doctor didn't listen to me. He
is also going by the old standards that 5.0 is normal. So, I was on .112 mg of
synthroid and it was increased to .120 mg and I am to repeat the bloodwork in 8
weeks.
I also had been experiencing horrible headaches and neck pain. My BP had gone up
(and it is always on the low side). I have to go for a mri of the cervical spine
and brain for the severe headaches. I wouldn't be suprised if it was all related
to the thyroid.
Melissa

FNV e-Magazine, 10 maart 2004
geselecteerd en bewerkt voor whiplash Internetwerken
FNV slaat alarm over WAO-herziening.
"De Geus verbouwt het WAO-huis kamer na kamer", zegt FNV-bestuurder Ton
Heerts. Hij begint bovenin en zegt dan dat het fundament ook verbouwd moet
worden. Wij zeggen: begin bij het fundament. De FNV bereidt een brandbrief
aan de Eerste Kamer voor, waarin het SER-advies nog eens uit de doeken wordt
gedaan en dringend wordt verzocht de voorstellen van De Geus van tafel te
vegen. Het kabinet lijkt opnieuw te gaan morrelen aan het huidige
WAO-stelsel zonder een uitspraak te willen doen over het liggende
SER-advies. Struikelblok is vooral de geplande veranderingen in het
zogenoemde schattingsbeleid.
Als die worden doorgevoerd, zullen ongeveer 300.000 WAOers hun uitkering
verliezen, omdat ze volgens nieuwe criteria geschikt zouden zijn voor 3
functies op 3 beschikbare arbeidsplaatsen. Op dit moment ligt de drempel nog
op 30 arbeidsplaatsen. Zowel het UWV als de arbeidsdeskundigen hebben al aan
de bel getrokken.
Heerts windt zich op over de manier waarop de WAO aanstaande dinsdag op de
politieke agenda van de Eerste Kamer is gezet, zonder duidelijke
aankondiging en zonder beleidsstukken. Het woord WAO staat nog slechts
tussen haakjes. Ze voeren het agendapunt op als Arbeid en Ziekte. Zo wordt
het verzekeringskarakter sluimerend naar de achtergrond geschoven. Hij
vindt dat het WAO-debat steeds meer een torentjesdebat-oude-stijl aan het
worden is. Wij hebben een duidelijk plan klaarliggen en je moet een aan
zekerheid grenzende domheid hebben, wil je het SER-advies negeren. De
brandbrief van de FNV zal dinsdag op ludieke wijze worden aangeboden.

Have you tried Cytomel?

Iron calcium magnesium and zinc for you Bee.......vitamins and good friends.mj
"joan n.y.c./phx.az." <joan85032@...
tell him, you feel so weak, you need to go out on disablilty. See what he says
then.
Maybe he will do blood work again.
Are you taking Iron?
Joan
sincerely,
Joan nyc/phx.az.
Adoptee/Parents/relatives: Please go to the following websites:
Arizona and N.Y. searchers:

Thanks for posting this site. I posted my complaint to them. Why
don't they go after someone else....such as all of those pill pushers
wearing white coats? grrrr
Sue

Hallo allemaal,
Naast onze site www.talk.to/whiplash hebben we op het internet ook enkele
whiplashclubs zoals http://gezondheid.clubs.nl/whiplash en
www.whiplash.clubid.nl
We zoeken nog 1 of 2 vrijwilligers die één of meerdere clubs met onze
inwerking, begeleiding en technische ondersteuning geheel zelfstandig willen
vormgeven en beheren. Neem contact met ons op via 036-5386170 of

Hi, call the dr. and tell him, you feel so weak, you need to go out on
disablilty. See what he says then.
Maybe he will do blood work again.
Are you taking Iron?
Joan
sincerely,
Joan nyc/phx.az.
Adoptee/Parents/relatives: Please go to the following websites:
Arizona and N.Y. searchers:

Compounding
Last week, on November 14th the American Medical Association (AMA)
passed a resolution concerning compounded bioidentical hormones. The
resolution asks FDA to institute sweeping regulatory changes that may
limit your access to, and if you are a physician, your ability to
prescribe compounded hormones. You can make your opinion known to the
AMA. To learn more and to take action go to:
http://www.iacprx.org/site/PageServer?pagename=P2C2
In late August or early September, the Wyeth lawsuit was lost against
compounding pharmacies, they claimed by compounding the pharmacies
were making new drugs. The court said that compounded drugs do not
fall under the new drug definitions and, as a result, are legal.
Has Wyeth pressured the AMA to extend its control through them?
Even if you do not currently use a compounding pharmacy, please
consider going to this link and letting your voice be heard. The
ability to have APPROVED medicines compounded into dosages and forms
that are appropriate for each individual need is necessary for many
people. If you don't know what compounding is, there is an
informative page that briefly describes how it works. For many of us,
compounding is an essential part of life.
Supplements
Now that the election is over, there is an attempt to attach a new
law onto an existing bill that would give the FDA greater powers to
remove dietary supplements from the marketplace and put a heavy
burden on smaller dietary supplement companies.
This threatening Senate Bill-S.3546- is deceptively titled Dietary
Supplement and Non-Prescription Drug Consumer Protection Act. The
charade behind this title is that it would largely function to
protect large pharmaceutical companies against the low cost
competition they are encountering from makers of natural alternatives
to their toxic drugs.
http://www.lef.org/featured-articles/consumer_alert_130906.htm
Even if you do not currently use supplements, please consider going
to this link and letting your voice be heard. The ability to use
supplements is necessary for many people. There is an informative
page that briefly describes how it works. For many of us, supplements
is an essential part of life.
Thank you for helping,
BJ

Bee,
Men and their new 'significant others' play games with your mind to try to make
everyone look like you're the bad guy. Trust me, they only have your son because
it's the only way they can hurt you, through your kids, through your heart. It
always worked out for me, the kids figuring out for themselves who loves them
unconditionally, not out of convenience to hurt someone. Time will pass, as will
the games, and when your stress is gone, you'll feel so much better. I'm sure
you already so, not being abused anymore. Verbal abuse can be so much worse than
physical. Sometimes I wished they'd just hit me, get it over with it, and shut
up. Your ex won't change, and it's a matter of time before his new wonderful
person is a victum like you. I've actually become great friends with
ex-wife-in-laws, having so much in common. It took me years to learn real
forgiveness, and once I did, my health improved, as did my whole life. When I'm
under stress, like now, it's like I'm on no thyroid
at all, too. Hang in there and know you're not alone. I don't get on here much,
working so much, but was excited to see you back on. Stress tabs helped, too, as
stress consumes so many vitamins, b-especially. I'm praying for you, cause I've
been there, done that, and my stress broke down my immune system, causing lung
cancer. I'm a 25-yr survivor, and please don't let that happen to you. Surround
yourself with happy people, you know the ones, and know that all of us care
about you. May God Bless your every day,
Charlotte

You're welcome.
My hubby has been on the Iodoral tabs for a month. He says he's
sleeping better and isn't as tired in the morning anymore. He's had
liver spots and they are starting to become very faint in some
places. I'm interested in seeing if they get rid of his skin tags,
too!
I never heard about the benefits of taking Iodoral tabs before I

Hi all,
Just an update...
I am now working 2 jobs...I still work at the hospital full time and started
working as a waitress at Bob Evans (Jefferson Point) about 2 months ago...
The doctor still has my thyroid meds too low, but won't up them because, even
though I have had a return of almost all symptoms, to some degree or another,
since he lowered my dose...he says my test