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Beste hendrik,
dank je voor je mailtje. Bij mij heeft het jaren geduurd voor er een kaartje
aangegeven werd. Ik had na diverse ongelukken etc. veel last maar dat werd
afgeschreven als "je moet maar eens op vakantie" etc. Na een aanvaring met 50
kilo ijzer op het hoofd een cm naast de slaap heeft mijn fysiotherapeut, waar
ik onder behandeling was voor vermeende rsi klachten zijn buurman (medisch
centrum met diverse artsen en diciplines) de osteopaat eens naar mij laten
kijken en toen hoorde ik pas dat mijn klachten bij een whiplash horen. Op mijn
nek foto is toen ook spondyl artrose ontdenkt.
Bij de behandeling in een revalidatie centrum hebben we nog maar eens een
onderzoek gedaan en dar kwam fibromyalgie uit. Dubbel sttress dus.
Dus misschien is een bezoekje aan een goede osteopaat iets voor je.
Succes
Groeten
Carla

With all the stress you are experiencing...its no wonder you are gaining

weight!

Im sure you know that excessive cortisol levels will do this to you.

Not new information for any of us with thyroid problems...I was

having the same issues at the height of my ill health.

What I did NOT know was that "hunger" and calorie restriction are

interpreted by the brain as one of the MOST stressful situations it

could face...and gives priority to it, in terms of cortisol production.

(No food = starvation = death)

Food and water are the absolute basic necessities, and anything under

ten calories per pound of body weight will initiate this response.

As does dehydration...

The lower the calorie the restriction..the higher the cortisol level.

We all know that small amounts of cortisol are necessary, and good.

But when excessive its wreaks havoc on us, doing considerable damage.

Its primary function is to "r e s t o r e " or "put back" energy that we

expended during the stressful event.

After it passes, the levels of cortisol come down...

However, if you are in a constant state of starvation basically...you are

in a constant state of "stress"...and cortisol levels dont come down.

So you stay in "putting back" mode...meaning you are storing

calories for the next event...and your brain is able to anticipate when

that is going to happen when it becomes chronic. (just thinking about

being on a diet, and thinking about being frustrated over it, causes

us stress)

Its a basic survival driven function.

Your brain does NOT know that you are getting a divorce...or losing your

job...or being cut off in traffic...etc...and that these things aren't necessarily

going to kill you. It interprets all of these things in the exact same

way physiologically...that is does when we are running from danger, or

experiencing a famine.

No we do not have control over outside stressors, &^%$ happens.

We do have control over our response to them however.

ok i know someone will chew me for the calorie count so spare me i dont believe someone can eat little and NOT lose weight of theyre normal..

im so depressed.. i have no control over my break up or living or anything so i went fullblown at dieting again

i lost like 4 poinds first couple days and now nothing actualy gained a pound today and tho my period is 2 weeks away have chronic pms symptons (stomach cramps)

i walk 50 minutes a day and 50 minutes on a glider (mm that thingwhere your legs swing back n forth simulating walking) and no having ANY sugar (cept fruit).. its been killing me and i have to take a nap mostly all day.

eating 500-700 (one day was 810.. steak has a LOT of calories) calories a day.. working out 40-127 minutes a day (walking)

and i gain weight??? seriously wtf even my temps apear to be up thp i was emailing when i took it (97.8)

this is sooo UNfair!!!!!!

my stupid ex can lose 6 pounds a week and does much less than me and here i am gaining??? and not all cramping and spotting which ive never done before.. well spottingi havent.

im so depressed

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My son has Encopresis, it is a bowel disorder caused by cronic constipation where the muscles and sensation in the duodenum are weakened by the stool hardening and sitting for extended periods. Basically, he has no sensation that he needs to go so it sits there and rots until it forces its way out or leaks out.

He was prescribed the flax oil by his Dr. for that and his depression. It is really amasing stuff, I have been doing alot of reading about it and it really does help alot of things. The Thyroid Diet book even recommends taking it.

Leanne

ok i know someone will chew me for the calorie count so spare me i dont believe someone can eat little and NOT lose weight of theyre normal..

im so depressed.. i have no control over my break up or living or anything so i went fullblown at dieting again

i lost like 4 poinds first couple days and now nothing actualy gained a pound today and tho my period is 2 weeks away have chronic pms symptons (stomach cramps)

i walk 50 minutes a day and 50 minutes on a glider (mm that thingwhere your legs swing back n forth simulating walking) and no having ANY sugar (cept fruit).. its been killing me and i have to take a nap mostly all day.

eating 500-700 (one day was 810.. steak has a LOT of calories) calories a day.. working out 40-127 minutes a day (walking)

and i gain weight??? seriously wtf even my temps apear to be up thp i was emailing when i took it (97.8)

this is sooo UNfair!!!!!!

my stupid ex can lose 6 pounds a week and does much less than me and here i am gaining??? and not all cramping and spotting which ive never done before.. well spottingi havent.

im so depressed

cla= conjugated linoleic acid

im kim too and have back pain too heh.. mine i dunno i had xrays and while my spine is curvy (from years of walking lopsided to support the back pain im sure) nothing showed.. i have a weak back in general but think both my sciatica nerves are at fault.. chirpracter was nice an d massage but didnt help my sciatica

I guess I may have missed some of this conversation (I get digest delivery for most groups and lately, many are not arriving.)
What is CLA?

Kimberly, sorry for such pain. What is wrong with your back? bones? Do you have osteoporosis or something? Back pain can be so very many things.

Would you tell us what is *wrong* with your back and such? That may help us help you. But starving yourself is *not* the way to go!

Laura

Hallo Helma,
Welkom op de lijst.
We kennen elkaar al van het praathuis maar ik zal mezelf toch even kort
voorstellen, Ik ben Marjon en ben 33 jaar. Ik ben getrouwd met Luciën. Heb 2
jaar whiplash door een bedrijfsongeval en zit 100% in de wao.
Fijn dat het met tijden redelijk goed met je gaat en dat je van de
verzorging van je dieren je hobby hebt kunnen maken. Ik heb ook veel
therapieën geprobeerd en ben er ook achter gekomen dat niks echt helpt, maar
dat het toch wel voor wat verlichting van de pijn zorgt. Heb je nou nog wel
therapieën?
Wat goed dat de verzekeringskwestie tot tevredenheid ten einde is gebracht.
Dit is inderdaad niet altijd zo, ik weet er inmiddels alles van.
Ook voor jullie hele fijne feestdagen en het allerbeste voor 2004
Nogmaals welkom op de lijst, ik hoop dat je je hier snel thuis zal voelen.
groetjes
Marjon

Leanne,

For what reason was your son needing Flax Oil? I know it can be used for constipation or regularity,but curious if there was another reason as well. I know it is good for cholesterol (omega fatty acids). I don't have high cholesterol, BP or anything...other than weight!! I do add some milled flax seed to cereal or something (OJ usually) to get more fiber into my diet, now that I eat gluten free and can't have the more fibrous grains.

I find water, water, water is so important! I am going to be purchasing a reverse osmosis water filter. Does anyone have one they recommend?

Laura

I read about the Selenium as well. I checked my multivitamin and it was in there just a very small dose so I picked some up on teusday. I haven't noticed any difference from that yet but I will let you know.

I have however noticed a big difference since starting on Flax oil. My son was told to take it for his problems and to support him,I take it with him. lol I have noticed my weight dropping since starting on it and my blood pressure has gone down as well.

Leanne

I ordered mine :) Let's see if we can help them donate the $100,000.
**Huggles**
Melissa
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On the right hand side of the website page there is a square that says
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I have! I have several doctors that recommend it. I have been using it for about a year (backed off lately.) But it does seem to work! I went from essentially 'dead' to alive...but it was a combo of things...not just selenium.

Go to Wild Oats...look around. Ask questions.

Laura

Hi Monica,

I have no idea if that really works... I personally believe God works in mysterious ways, if He so chooses.

I saw an MD that is also a Homeopath. She said she believed that the remedy she gave me could VERY likely balance all my ailments. She honestly believed that I may not need to ever have thyroid meds again (eventually)...and it would take care of numerous other ailments I was dealing with. I *basically believe* her, but have no experience to back that up..and don't *know* anyone that I have *seen it with my own eyes*.

However, this MD left the area for personal reasons and I never saw her again...and my insurance won't cover anyone that does Homeopathy, unless they are a licensed MD. I didn't dare go ahead and start stuff without anyone around to help me, if there should be issue.

So...I have seriously considered looking into this again...but have other things to take care of first. (Although she said, the Homeopathy should be FIRST! and other stuff may just go away.)

Actually...she had a lady named Monica or Monique that worked for her!

Let us know if you find out anything,

Laura

so this evening I was doing a little net surfing to try and find out about this "natural cure" someone had mentioned earlier and I kept coming across selenium. has anyone ever used this or found out if really helps? I also looked into the iodine and they said if you get to much iodine it can block the t4 hormone from turning into the t3 hormone but they did not say how much is to much, i use table salt with iodine but do not eat any seafood because it is suppose to have a different form of iodine that I am allergic too, should I take a supliment for iodine also? If anyone has any idea about this please let me know, tia-----antoinette

I have not posted in a long long time - but I didn't know of where
else to go so....Hello everyone :)
I recently talked to someone with an extreme hyper case - she lost her
insurance and had to treat herself, she researched online and went
herbal. When she got insurance back and returned to her doc she was
cured - Her doctor is baffled but she is not on any medication
anymore. We got to talking and I just wondered if I could treat my
extreme hypo in a similar way. I was wondering if anyone had "cured"
their hypo with herbal treatment, and was successful? I would love to
hear your herbal story :)
Thank you
Monica

Would you please give us more information in regard to this? I am very interested in the food allergy concept causing adrenal fatigue. I am also curious about what you mean by the amount of time one has been overweight...

Would you please expound upon these things?

Thanks,
Laura

Anytime you take in a foreign protein..(one that was not manufactured by YOU)

It can be viewed by your body as an invader...and will react accordingly.

This is especially true with animal proteins that we ingest intact, primarily

because of their hormonal content. (small molecule "proteins")

However the potential is there with any foreign protein. Otherwise known as

an "antigen".

When these antigens are present within us we can form antibodies to them, and

this is a function of our immune system.

With allergenic foods that we tend to eat over and over again because we

dont realize that they are causing our problems...our immune system is

in a state of constant activation, or "overstimulation"...

Our brains interpret this as stress, and our brain does not know the difference

between physical and emotional stress...the reaction is always the same.

So, combine the two..and WOW..

During times of stress our bodies demand for cortisol increases.

And this increased demand over time can lead to adrenal exhaustion.

Anyone that has been overweight, or in any other state of non health for a

long time, can absolutely change it...

Our cells however become accostomed to operating at a level that is not

effective because we arent giving ourselves what we need, and many body

processes suffer..it just will take longer to get the cells to respond to having

the necessary components for health...so, the longer you have been in a state

of deprivation...the slower the process will be...but it will happen!

here we go again these guys just won't stop. so look for "join silver powersellers program" and do not open it unless you just want a virus!!!lol

anyone tried alvidar for weight loss?

http://www.alvidar.com/?gclid=CK3_5uDrxIUCFTScJAodmSECxA

i wonder if i can take acacia and flax meal hmmm..flax meal is gluten free?

Just wanted to thank everyone involved in getting the word out about this virus...

I know that some groups insist on everyone staying EXACTLY ON-TOPIC in every way...fortunately, we are not one of them...we realize that there are other things (not many...lol) besides thyroid disease going on in the world...

Also, there are links in every email that gets delivered for unsubscribing and they are also located on the front page of the group...

I am actually thinking about disallowing attachments from the site, but in this instance, it would not have helped, from what I heard, just opening the email was enough to mess you up...

Hope everyone is doing great! Hugs, Bee

I think I have shared this before. From what I understand, if your thyroid is still LOW, you will have constipation. If it is high, you tend to have the opposite.

I *need* to take fiber, as much of my diet is lacking in that (since I can't eat fibrous breads.) Of course there are vegetables and fruit....but I add ground flax meal to my daily diet. My father who was taking metamucil or citracel for many many years now...started taking it and is amazed at how well it works. I just add 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon per day to my OJ or cereal. You can also sprinkle it on toast. It has virtually no flavor or texture. However, it does sink to the bottom of juice if you do not drink it right away. A box of this stuff will last me almost a year! And costs about $2.50 and needs to be kept refrigerated.

I suggest you try it. However, I would keep in mind that constipation can indeed be underactive/treated thyroid or perhaps you are eating too much cheese! There are other reasons too...but this should help keep things regular...just don't take too much!

HTH,
Laura

Thanks for this info. I'll be passing this along to my other groups.
**Huggles**
Melissa

i got a measage from a friend on another group that told me she
recieved 3 viruses from that measage just sent through this group,
titled new graphic site do not open it!!!!

Here is info on it

There's a new email worm going around this morning that affects your web

I got a measage ealier from another group saying that the measage that
was being sent through this group titled new graphic site has three
viruses in it, maybe you guys can delete it before all the others get
it!!!!

Hi Kimberly....

Gastric bypass? That sounds pretty extreme...do you think you have that

much excess weight to lose?

A friend of mine had the surgery about a year ago, and she is wishing she had

considered it more carefully...she still has considerable fatigue, and is now experiencing

some very dramatic changes in skin, and hair loss.

Granted, she was a hundred pounds overweight and was desperate at the time..

I really wish she had spent more time trying to get at the root cause.

Interestingly...her family physician never talked with her about the other possible

causes underlying her weight gain...and she could not seem to be honest with

herself about her contribution to it.

Finally, we have had the opportunity to really talk with each other, and she is just

amazed at the the things that she simply does not know about her own body, and

how things work...including her metabolism.

Her doctor never mentioned anything about possible liver problems, adrenal, or

thyroid issues...she had no idea that any of them were even tied to it.

So, sad....

Now however...she is eager to learn, and I believe the rest of her recovery will

be better as a result..but I also think she will have lasting effects of the surgery

that she will have to deal with on top of it all.

In addition to the constipation..do you feel as if you are retaining fluid???

And simply addressing your thyroid, may not be adequate...it is connected

to other factors...your livers' ability to produce adequate albumin for example,

as it is a transport protein for T3...without it, it wont matter how much extra

hormone you take. There are a couple of other proteins as well, that are

aids to transport, but albumin is a blood protein that actually binds to it,

and carries it thru your circulation, getting to where it needs to go.

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HI,
Recently, after being on Levoxyl, I broke out in hives, and had my Dr.
increase and swithch to Synthroid, 50mcg, seems to be okay. She wants
to see me in 3 months before increasing (if needed). I have also
found a web site where you can search for a dr. in your area who is
wiling to work with Armour.
Back to the hives, I recently was diagnosed with a yeast infection,
and as I researched Candida/yeast infections, I am now suspecting that
the hives may have been caused by that. Any ideas, feedback would be
helpful.
Thanks,
LeeAnne (from Illinois)

Hi, the Hashimoto's site addr has changed.

Hallo Henk,
Welkom op deze lijst.
Ik ben Marjon en ben 33 jaar. Ik ben getrouwd met Luciën. Ik heb 2 jaar een
whiplash door een bedrijfsongeval. Sinds die tijd werk ik niet meer en ben
100% afgekeurd.
Heb je tussen 1983 en 1991 geen klachten gehad? Wat zeiden de doktoren van
je hoofdpijn klachten?
Op wat voor manier ben je thuis geraakt? Wat is er toen allemaal fout
gegaan? Dat band gevoel herken ik wel maar dan alleen om het hoofd. Ook het
niks meer kunnen doen is heel herkenbaar maar ik zorg er nu voor dat ik
alles met mate doe en probeer dat ook te doen op dagen dat het beter gaat.
Hopen dat het overgaat heb ik ook gedaan, maar heb me er inmiddels bij
neergelegd dat dat niet zal gebeuren. Dat heeft heel veel tijd en moeite
gekost maar ik ben het leven op een andere manier gaan waarderen en heb
hobbies gezocht die ik wel vol kan houden en waar ik toch mijn dagen mee kan
vullen.
Ik heb verschillende therapieën en echt helpen doen ze niet maar het zorgt
er wel voor dat de pijn wat minder is. Heb jij nog therapieën of heb je die
gehad?
Nogmaals welkom op de lijst ik hoop dat je je snel thuis zal voelen.
Ik lees graag je reactie.
Groetjes
Marjon

Perhaps you are not getting the adequate dosage of your thyroid replacement. Could it be optimal at another dose? You could likely be having issues with your adrenal glands...nothing works right if they aren't functioning adequately! That was part of my issue for many years. I also have gluten intolerance/Celiac...that kept me very ill.

I suggest you further investigate your endocrine/allergy system and see if there is something else going on.

If you exercise too hard, it just depletes rather than invigorate...ESPECIALLY if you are dealing with hormones out of balance. With adrenal issues, everything can be a struggle and hard to deal with. Just walking down the street or making decisions and unexpected changes can take a toll.

HTH,

Laura

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Hi, itchie and such means you need more meds too. Or your allergic to
the color in the pills. I had that.
I couldn't tollerate the pills with color in it. So I had to get the
.50 and take 2 to equal what I needed,.

Hello Bee how have you been? I have been okay I have been taking
levothyroxin75mcg and have had trouble with itching and skin drying
out really fast. Around my lip and eye lids. And today I have been
feeling really bad like I haven't sleep in 24hr. I feel drunk and
sleepy alot more. Yesterday I sleep until 1:10pm and that hasn't been
happening but have trouble waking up. 2 weeks ago I had my levels
checked and it was 2.47.

Hi, with a tsh of 4.4 you need meds. You are low. anything above 3. is
the new number now. Maybe you better get info, and fax it over to the Dr.
The dr sounds behind the times,
Sincerely,

I just got some test results back for my thyroid and I'm very
confused.
I'm within the normal range (but not what I've come to accept as
normal -- just want my doctor says is normal)
She also tells me that I have the early stages of Graves Disease???
How can I be borderline HYPO and also have Graves disease??
Here are my results -- I'd sure appreciate some assistance. I've got
quite a few symptoms of hypo thyroidism but except for fatigue and
irritability, none of the ones associated with Graves disease
Auto-antibody: 476 (apparently normal is less than 35)
this is why the doctor is saying I have Graves disease
TSH: 4.4
FT4: 0.93
T3: 31.8
(I will get a copy of the results tomorrow when I go in, this is
what I got over the phone this afternoon.)
The more I read, the more confused I get. I have an appointment
tomorrow morning with my doctor and I want to go in "loaded for
bear." She wanted to send me to an endo, but I don't know if I
need/want one and would want to research one locally before choosing
one.
If anyone would care to comment, I'd really appreciate some help in
figuring out what I'm looking at here.
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Hi!! tried to respond to your email, but the server returned it???
Do you have a different email you can use? It seemed to think I was
spam I guess...
Karen

hi i just joined this group in hopes that i can get some help with this
problem and i am also in search of a new diet plan. I am a 26 year old
married sahm of three from south la. before the hurricane i was was
doing great and on the south beach diet. but i went off of it and can't
bring myself to do the first 2 weeks again. during the evacuation time
i ran out of meds and when i finally got more they don't seem to be
working the same. my dr. says i am regulated fine but i amalways tired
and i keep gaining weight. by the way, i am hypo. it would be great to
hear from yall.

Ok ya all out there, I am having a problem with my son. He has to take Flax seed oil but doesn't like the taste. (can you blame him?) I have been giving it to him in those smooth ez frozen smoothies and oatmeal but I need some other ideas. I even tried it on popcorn and he wouldn't touch it.
ANY ideas would be great!
Leanne

Leanne

How old is he?

Does he like an Italian type of dressing? Cant taste it when you mix it with some vingar and mrs dash.

Sorry, I forgot to mention, I have a grown daughter and a teen
daughter. My question is, experiencing rebuilding the relationship,
others experiences and insights, different points of view....Thanks.

Hi Everyone! :D

I was wondering what different weight loss programs everyone has tried, and what supplements are used?? :-s

Recently, I found something that works for me, and I just wanted to try to gather information on what has worked for others!!

My weigh in this week after 4 weeks on my healthy living plan was down a total of 9 pounds for the month. It exceeded my goal of 2 pounds per week. Happy just doesn't describe how I'm feeling right now!!! After a 63 pound gain before/during/after my thyroidectomy I was getting pretty desperate to find something that would help. :((

Not wanting to offend anyone on the board or be pushy, but I would LOVE to share my success with anyone who would like more information!! Feel free to email me @ KFulbright@...

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When you see the GP, make sure he runs a Free T3 and Free T4. The TSH range that the lab is using is the old range. Now anything above 3 is considered diagnostic for hypothyroid and anything above 2.5 is suggestive of hypothyroid. Normal should be around 1-2, but for Hashi people it seems that suppression (close to zero) is the goal. Also know that TSH is actually a measurement of Pituitary function, not thyroid function.

As far as the Armour question, my advice to not to budge! If he tries to push Synthroid or Levoxyl, just keep telling him you don't want that...that you want to stay on the Armour, at increasing doses, and see how you do. Just don't take no for an answer! For adrenal testing, you want a 4x saliva, not a 24 hour urine or blood test (they usually don't catch adrenal fatigue). Also, be sure he tests your Ferritin, DHEA & B-12 levels.

I am glad to hear you're on bio-identicals, not synthetics. If your adrenals aren't working correctly, and your DHEA is low, that may be why your progesterone & testosterone are low (I have these issues due to this problem). Getting the adrenals corrected may alleviate this.

Be sure to let us know how your appointments go!

Joy

Hi Rita,

Thanks for responding to my email I appreciate your time. So Thyroid Symptoms can over- lap each other? I didn't know that.

So here I am very tired all the time not knowing why because they were telling me it was not my Thyroid and maybe it was.

I sleep a lot and I feel bad for my kids because I just get so tired and I can't help it and my husband kicks in and get's mad because he doesn't understand all about the Thyroid like people who have the problem.

He is supported of me but he doesn't know much about it. As I don't myself I need to start reading about it soon. Because I don't know if there going to want to take mine out or not.

I don't know what my level's are yet I will have to call my new Doctor to find out. But my next Apt. is in Aug. so if there was a big problem with my blood work don't you think he would have called me right away?

We will see what will happen when I see him in Aug. But I do have a Hot Right Nodiel so he think's that may have to come out.

And I also have a goiter too so I'm nt sure what will be done to me. Thank you again for caring. Take Care.~~~Kat

Hoi Hendrik,
Bij mij werd ca. een week na m'n 'ongeval' door mijn huisarts al gezegd dat
ik een whiplash had. Ik ben door een of andere onverlaat op m'n achterhoofd
geslagen met een inline skate. M'n huisarts had er gelukkig ervaring mee.
Hij dacht er dag 1 al aan meldde hij later nog, maar hij wilde me ook niet
een bepaalde hoek in drukken qua verwachtingen enzo...
Dus het ging bij mij redelijk snel.
Overigens is het meestal qua verzekeringen niet een al te slimme term hoor
'whiplash' want het wordt vaak ontkend dat de klachten lang in stand kunnen
blijven door zweepslag (ik weet ook wel beter natuurlijk, maar zo werkt het
jammer genoeg wel).
Groetjes,
-Maud

Oh, and I meant to tell you that they did not run a T3 Free lab. Only a T3 Total was run.

Wendy

I would love to post my ranges, but the lab accidentally put me in the computer as a male instead of a female. So, my OBGYN said my reference ranges are skewed, but she told me she knew they were still all off. LOL! The ranges they gave me were as follows: T3 Total - 60-181 (mine was at 103), T-4 FREE - 0.8-1.8 (mine was at 1.2), TSH - 0.40-5.50 (mine was at 5.68). I don't know if those numbers would be different if they had put me in as a female or not. I'm confused.

Oh, and I didn't have a "scan". I had an ultrasound. I realized I had put in the wrong term.

My OBGYN gave me the 30mg of Armour while I was awaiting my Endo appointment. I'm hoping that my friend's doctor I will be seeing next week will work better with me than I'm afraid that Endo might. My friend said this doctor's wife and daughter both have thyroid problems and that's how he got into treating it even though he is only a GP. He did prescribe her Synthroid, though. I'm hoping he'll keep me on Armour. After all I've read, I would really like to stay on it.

I am on a bio-identical Progesterone cream and testosterone drops. I was also Estrogen dominent. My OBGYN believes in a natural approach to healing. They recommended the Endo, so I don't know if he will work from a natural approach, too. I'm still going to follow up with him just in case the GP doesn't do well.

We'll see what happens. With the GP, the Endo, my OBGYN and you all, I will hopefully feel better in a while! =) Thanks for your response!

Wendy

The Armour was prescribed by my OBGYN, who is a natural believing doctor, to just help until my Endo appointment. However, the dose is so low, I guess, that it is doing anything. I don't know if the Endo or the GP I am seeing next week will agree with Armour, but I am going to ask. The Endo was recommended by the OBGYN, so I'm hoping he will work with me.

I haven't felt one bit of difference since being on the Armour. I have days where I can barely function and others where I'm not quite so bad. I'm sure my adrenal function is off, too. From what I've read, it sounds like it. I am going to mention this to my doctor when I go. If he doesn't care or do anything, then I will google the ones you said and do it myself. Thanks so much!

Wendy

Hi Wendy. My name is Bekki and I am new to this group
and to my throid issue as well. I joined another
forum just today and received a number of very
informative responses back that have helped me alot.
I've been very frustrated and feeling awful. I needed
to reach out for support. I didn't know where else to
turn. Please try joining the forum at
http://thyroid.about.com/mpboards.htm too. There are
alot of knowledgable people on this forum that can
tell you about what your lab results mean. I wish I
could help you more.
I've read alot of information about my thyroid problem
after being diagnosed 12 weeks ago but have found it
all too overwhelming. I can completely understand how
you are tired of feeling the way you are. I'm so
frustrated with feeling awful. I did learn from the
other forum that I will probably feel worse before I
feel better. And that it takes time and lots of
patience to let my body adjust to the medication and
to determine the right dose. Its hard waiting for me
because I have a 4 year old daughter I need to take
care of. I want her to have a mommy who feels well.
I can't do the things I want to do with her and she
has to see mommy sick all the time. Its just not fair
and so frustrating.
I did learn from the other forum that when starting
treatment TSH is not good enough in determining the
right dose. Free T4 and Free T3 measures the actual
amount of available hormone in your blood. Most feel
their best when these are at least at the midpoint of
their respective ranges. She also wrote: "Every
person is different. Once you find your "optimized"
level of replacement hormone (which is a trial and
error thing), then the body will start healing itself.
This can take up to two years depending on how long
you were hypothyroid before treatment was started.
That is why patience is something we all have to
learn. Not an easy thing when you don't feel well. I
would suggest you start a health notebook. You should
obtain and keep copies of all bloodwork and that would
be a place to keep those. You can also use it as a
symptom diary. When fine-tuning how much replacement
hormone you need you will be able to go back to your
notebook and see how you felt on certain dosages." I
found her help very informative and it helped me to
realize I need to have patience . Its so hard to feel
awful for so long. Most of my familiy and friends
don't understand which just adds to my frustration.
Oh, she also said that Endo's are useless to the
throid patient. I thought you might need to know that
too. I've been seeing alot of that on the forum.
Anyways, I'm so glad I finally got up the nerve to
join both groups. I've isolated myself for too long.
Sometimes I feel like digging a hold and hiding there
until I feel better. Now I feel like I can come out
of the hole and reach out for help from others. I
hope some day I can help others too.
Best to you,
Bekki

Hi Wendy :)

Can you please post the lab ranges along with your results? (each lab is different). Your TSH is way too high. Also, I didn't see a Free T3 lab...did they run that? As far as your scan, what you are told is correct. Your thyroid is enlarged, but you haven't yet developed nodules. With antibodies, you most likely have Hashimoto's (autoimmune thyroid disease). The antibodies attacking the thyroid are what causes the enlargement/inflammation. It is the inflammation that is causing the pressure you feel in your throat. I, too, have Hashi's and used to have really bad pressure on my throat...felt like I was being choked. The good news is that once you get on a high enough dose of Armour, the swelling will go down and you won't feel the pressure anymore. 30mg of Armour is a very low dose...usually a starting dose...but you will need to keep increasing doses until your bloodwork gets into a better range and your symptoms abate.

Like you, I also have low sex hormones. This is quite common with hypothyroidism, as the thyroid, adrenal & sex hormones all work in harmony together...when one is off, it causes issues with the others. That's why so many of the symptoms seem to overlap. I know it's maddening...it took me forever to figure out which symptom was related to what! Yes, yeast is a common issue with hypo, but I believe it's due more to the adrenal fatigue involved and/or the sex hormone imbalance (Estrogen dominance). For me, and others I know, once I was put on bio-identical Progesterone, my monthly battles with yeast went away completely. What hormones were you prescribed? All of your other symptoms are very common with Hashi's/hypo and can be eliminated with enough thyroid meds, sex hormone balancing and properly functioning adrenals. It takes time and a lot of patience, but you can get well!

Now, I must tell you that almost every thyroid patient I know has had nothing but problems with Endos. They specialize primarily in diabetes, and tend to treat thyroid issues in a very lax way (in other words, not treat you aggressively enough so that you get well). They usually only treat (very conservatively) by your TSH labs...not by your Frees and how you feel. Therefore, most end up still very ill. Every one that I went to would not raise my meds once my TSH hit 5.0...even though the new normal ranges were .3 - 3.0. Many patients I know I have had better treatment with D.O.'s or Naturopaths.

Feel free to email me if you have any questions or just want to vent! Also, be sure to get back to me with your labs with ranges. I also belong to a couple of other great groups that are well versed in Hashimoto's and proper treatment of hypothyroidism, if you're interested.

Take care,

Joy

Hello, new person!!

I, too had the same trouble on Synthyroid. I hit my Dr with I'd rather go the natural approach, and he jumped on changing me back to Armour's. I'm doing so much better on it, I thought, but then I found out on this sight that the Soy suplement, lecithin, I was taking for memory loss was counter-acting my thyroid. I've gotten off the soy, drink at least 2 glasses of fruit juice daily, for the vitamin C, have started taking a multiple vitamin, and I feel so much better than I have in a long time. My immune system is weak, also, due to lung surgery, and my Dr gives me all the hints he can think of. Also---and you won't believe this, but if you'll drink a glass of Welch's Grape Juice every evening, your mobility will improve so much you won't believe it. I ran out, and am stiff and slow, and when I get back on it, I'm limber again. I just feel so much better than I have in a long time, I just wanted to share. Just remember, no two bodies are the same, but the soy is the same for
everyone. Don't go overboard, some things just have a little, that's OK. Just don't take the supliments, or deliberately eat soy. My Thyroid is very low, since I had a tumor on mine, and had to have radiation 50 years ago. We're different, but with low thyroid, we need all the support we can get. I took Armour's over 30 years, and never had trouble until a Dr made me take Synthyroid, and it's fluctuated ever since. I'm on 1.5 full grams of Armour's now, and I thank my Dr. He's an Osteopath, D.O., and they tend more toward natural than synthetic chemicals.

Good luck--

Charlotte
bekkifr <bekkifr@...

Hello to everyone! This is my first time ever joining a group or posting anything on the
web. I need support desperately. I've been reluctant to join a group, not sure why. I've
come to the point where I'm frustrated because I'm not getting better after being put on
synthroid in January. I felt better before starting synthroid. I was diagnosed as
hypothyroid in January. My TSH was 24.28 and the doctor put me on 50 mcg. For the
following 8 weeks I got worse. I felt awful. My depression got worse, my heart would
pound, legs felt very heavy, & would get out of the breath walking up the stairs. I did feel
a small improvement in my sexual libido. I lost weight which is actually not a good thing
for me. I had awful headaches too. I could go on about the symptoms but what really
matters is I felt worse. I called to complain to my doctor about my heart, brreathing
problems and heavy feeling in my legs but he didn't seem concerned. I feel he should
have been. I had to endure all this for 8 weeks. Finally, I had my blood tested, my TSH
was .30. At my request, I asked the doctor to test me for the antibodies as well, it came
back positive at 392. He wanted to keep my on the 50 mcg but I felt it was too much and
my TSH was at the low end of normal. He agreed and reduced to 25 mcg of synthroid. My
heart pounding, geting out of breath and heavy feeling in my legs got better. This week
which is the 4th week the symptoms came back. They came back before my period and
now during my period. I don't know if the symptoms are back because of my period. Or
could it be because of my autoimmune disease. I've read that with Hashimoto's disease a
person can fluctuate between hypo and hyper. I don't know. All I know right now is I am
not getting better, I've felt worse. I'm ready to try Armour Thryroid but my doctor is
opposed to that. I'm ready and willing to switch doctors at this point. I have an
appointment with an endocronigist but not until July. I'm not willing to wait until July to
try switching to Armour. I can't continue to feel this way. I'd rather stop taking synthroid
completely. My husband is going to call our family physician to ask him if he is willing or
unwilling to switch me to Armour. If the doctor is unwilling, I will have to find another
doctor. If he is willing, my concern is he probably hasn't prescribed it before. Should I
still switch doctors to find one who is familiar with Armour? Does anyone know of a good
doctor willing to prescribe Armour in South Bend, Indiana or Indianapolis or even
Michigan. I willing to travel but would prefer to find someone close. I did call the office of
the encrinoligist I'm seeing in July and asked if the doctor prescribes Armour and the
answer is yes. That's a good sign but I'm not willing to wait that long. I have a 4 year old
daughter to take care of. I need to be there for her and right now I'm not doing well at all.
I just don't feel I can wait until July. I'm just so frustrated with how awful I feel. I can't
keep feeling this way. This should be the best time of my life. I have it pretty good and
want so much to be able to enjoy it and be there for my husband and my daughter. Right
now I wouldn't want to live with me. I just hope my husband will be there to support me
but he doesn't understand how awful I feel physically and emotionally. I try so hard to get
through everyday as best I can. I even try to hide how awful I feel because I know he gets
tired of hearing me complain. I get tired of complaining myself. I really have to push
myself hard. Some days are better then others but not one day is what it should be. I
don't want to feel 50% better or 70% better. I want to be as close to 100% better as I can
be. I don't know what to do right now. Why am I not getting better? Why do I feel I'm
getting worse? Where do I go from here? I can I find a doctor who will help me and listen
to me? I better quit writing because I feel I'm rambling now. I really hope joining this
support group will help me and I hope I can help others. Although I'm not sure how much
help I can give someone else.
Frustrated in Indiana :-(
Bekki

Hi Christime,

So glad that your dad is doing ok now...hope you are able to think about your mother and the happy times you had with her and not so much the sadness of losing her...

Congratulations on youir award...even though so many do what they do on the quiet and usually don't spout numbers about who and how many we have helped, it feels good to be recognized, doesn't it? Even though we would do what we do without the recognition, we enjoy our good deeds being validated!

Hang in there and keep up the good work!

Hugs, Bee

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Entry for April 07, 2006
Since mum's passing my father has been having mini strokes, drs are keeping him monitered. I went to hospital with him for a diet test he's ok now, then we went for a carvery meal together, he came back to mine
after and we did a crossword together. It will take him a long time to get over.
Good news, i'm a volunteer for the British Thyroid foundation and run a helpline for them and help out in a local support group, They have asked Nationwide Building society who are doing volunteer awards for me
to be nominated for a volunteer award, I have received a certificate and they have asked me to nominate a group. iv'e nominated my local group and named a lady that helps run it. We all do this on the quiet,
Nationwide said that's why they are thanking people like us.
That's good news after losing my mum, cheered me up. Chrissy.

Hello. My name is Wendy. I am just beginning to deal with my
thyroid issue. I don't know what's causing it, yet. I am waiting
to see another doctor as my OBGYN is the one that noticed that my
thyroid is swollen. I've had bloodwork and a scan done.
My scan showed: "Minimally prominent tyroid lobes with mildly
heterogeneous echotexture. No dominant or discrete lesion is
identified in either lobe." I don't know what any of this means,
really other than..."Yep, it's enlarged. But, there isn't any
nodules." That's what I was told.
My bloodwork showed antibodies and a high TSH level. I'm not sure
what "normal" T3 & T4 levels are so I don't know if mine are high or
low or what. My results were as follows:
Antibodies - 234 IU/ML
DHEA Sulfate - 184 MCG/DL
T3, TOTAL - 103 NG/DL
T-4 FREE - 1.2 NG/DL
TSH 5.68 MIU/L
CORTISOL, A.M. - 8.0 MCG/DL
I was told also that my progesterone and testosterone levels were
extremely low and I am now taking scripts for those. I haven't
noticed much of anything, but I'm still taking all of it.
I was given 30mg of Armour by my OBGYN to take and referred to
another doctor. I haven't noticed any change after about 6 weeks.
It's taking months to get to see the Endocronologist so I had a
friend refer me to her GP who is treating her with Synthroid.
I am tired all of the time. My eyes sting and I feel like I've
taken a ton of antihistimines. I'm irritable and moody. I
sometimes feel my anxiety level shoot through the roof as if my skin
is crawling! My neck muscles and lymph nodes hurt all the way
around. I feel as if I have a constant pill stuck in my throat. I
get down and depressed. My eye twitches at times. I keep getting
sore throats and colds/sinus infections for months now. I even read
one symptom can be the pain I have in the ball of my foot and my big
toe that I've been feeling since I was pregnant five years ago! (Is
this one true?)
Also, is there a connection between hypothyroid and candida? I feel
like they seem to be overlapping so much that I'm confused.
Anyway, I am so tired of feeling this way. I hope this new doctor
will help me. I don't know what else to do. Can anyone tell me
what my numbers look like to them? No one has really explained much
to me. I've been researching the net and books so far. That's
about it. Thanks so much!

Hello to everyone! This is my first time ever joining a group or posting
anything on the
web. I need support desperately. I've been reluctant to join a group, not sure
why. I've
come to the point where I'm frustrated because I'm not getting better after
being put on
synthroid in January. I felt better before starting synthroid. I was diagnosed
as
hypothyroid in January. My TSH was 24.28 and the doctor put me on 50 mcg. For
the
following 8 weeks I got worse. I felt awful. My depression got worse, my heart
would
pound, legs felt very heavy, & would get out of the breath walking up the
stairs. I did feel
a small improvement in my sexual libido. I lost weight which is actually not a
good thing
for me. I had awful headaches too. I could go on about the symptoms but what
really
matters is I felt worse. I called to complain to my doctor about my heart,
brreathing
problems and heavy feeling in my legs but he didn't seem concerned. I feel he
should
have been. I had to endure all this for 8 weeks. Finally, I had my blood
tested, my TSH
was .30. At my request, I asked the doctor to test me for the antibodies as
well, it came
back positive at 392. He wanted to keep my on the 50 mcg but I felt it was too
much and
my TSH was at the low end of normal. He agreed and reduced to 25 mcg of
synthroid. My
heart pounding, geting out of breath and heavy feeling in my legs got better.
This week
which is the 4th week the symptoms came back. They came back before my period
and
now during my period. I don't know if the symptoms are back because of my
period. Or
could it be because of my autoimmune disease. I've read that with Hashimoto's
disease a
person can fluctuate between hypo and hyper. I don't know. All I know right
now is I am
not getting better, I've felt worse. I'm ready to try Armour Thryroid but my
doctor is
opposed to that. I'm ready and willing to switch doctors at this point. I have
an
appointment with an endocronigist but not until July. I'm not willing to wait
until July to
try switching to Armour. I can't continue to feel this way. I'd rather stop
taking synthroid
completely. My husband is going to call our family physician to ask him if he
is willing or
unwilling to switch me to Armour. If the doctor is unwilling, I will have to
find another
doctor. If he is willing, my concern is he probably hasn't prescribed it
before. Should I
still switch doctors to find one who is familiar with Armour? Does anyone know
of a good
doctor willing to prescribe Armour in South Bend, Indiana or Indianapolis or
even
Michigan. I willing to travel but would prefer to find someone close. I did
call the office of
the encrinoligist I'm seeing in July and asked if the doctor prescribes Armour
and the
answer is yes. That's a good sign but I'm not willing to wait that long. I
have a 4 year old
daughter to take care of. I need to be there for her and right now I'm not
doing well at all.
I just don't feel I can wait until July. I'm just so frustrated with how awful
I feel. I can't
keep feeling this way. This should be the best time of my life. I have it
pretty good and
want so much to be able to enjoy it and be there for my husband and my daughter.
Right
now I wouldn't want to live with me. I just hope my husband will be there to
support me
but he doesn't understand how awful I feel physically and emotionally. I try so
hard to get
through everyday as best I can. I even try to hide how awful I feel because I
know he gets
tired of hearing me complain. I get tired of complaining myself. I really have
to push
myself hard. Some days are better then others but not one day is what it should
be. I
don't want to feel 50% better or 70% better. I want to be as close to 100%
better as I can
be. I don't know what to do right now. Why am I not getting better? Why do I
feel I'm
getting worse? Where do I go from here? I can I find a doctor who will help me
and listen
to me? I better quit writing because I feel I'm rambling now. I really hope
joining this
support group will help me and I hope I can help others. Although I'm not sure
how much
help I can give someone else.
Frustrated in Indiana :-(
Bekki

Entry for April 07, 2006
Since mum's passing my father has been having mini strokes, drs are
keeping him monitered. I went to hospital with him for a diet test he's
ok now, then we went for a carvery meal together, he came back to mine
after and we did a crossword together. It will take him a long time to
get over.
Good news, i'm a volunteer for the British Thyroid foundation and run a
helpline for them and help out in a local support group, They have
asked Nationwide Building society who are doing volunteer awards for me
to be nominated for a volunteer award, I have received a certificate
and they have asked me to nominate a group. iv'e nominated my local
group and named a lady that helps run it. We all do this on the quiet,
Nationwide said that's why they are thanking people like us.
That's good news after losing my mum, cheered me up. Chrissy.

Hi Kathy,
With Thyroid symptoms can over-lap each other. When I
was Hyper, I someyimes did fatigue. It was my boy's
way of letting me know that something just wasn't
right. I had RAI in 1997 and would have stayed omn
tapezole forever. I didn't get a choice, but I didn't
have nodules. Other people will jump in on that.
You're not alone.
Sending Love, Rita in Pa
SD's -Dillon, Shaman + Miracle

Bee,
Praying for you and your children and hoping for the best for you.
Cherwyn

Hi Bee,
Wishing you the best in your life changes, as you live
the changes.
Sending Love, Rita in P

Hi all,

Some of you, I told ahead of time, on IM, and some, I talked about this in person, when things were still in the thinking stage...

I think we all know how hard all of this (thyroid disease) can be on marriage and how hard it is for others to understand what we are going through...

I have gotten my own apartment with my children...this has been something that has been in the works for a long time...I am now working full time and have a decent job and can finally afford to do this...it has taken a while to get to the point of being able to do this instead of just wishing that I was healthy enough or had a good enough job, or a million other obstacles that have stood in the way of me and freedom...

I don't want to go into a lot of detail and rehash every hurt or nasty comment...we just all have to remember that no one knows exactly what goes on inside a marriage, except the 2 people involved in it...and being on the outside, looking in, is never the same as being on the inside looking out...

I am using the puter at the library at the hospital (where I work), so do not have access to my IM's and do not have a connection at home yet...so I am unable to get on here every day...it has been a little over a week now, and I was going through withdrawl!

At my own groups, please, talk amongst yourselves and help and support each other...I will get on when I can...right now my day off is Tuesday...I work till 4 and the library closes at 4:30...

Hang in there and be good to each other...

Hugs, Bee aka Charisse

Thank you Kat for writing, I like this group already
hugs nancy

Hello thanks for all the great web sites i will look
at all of them this is what my Dr said i hope i got
this right
my TSH 5.41
my t4 is 9.5
my free T4 1.60
Does this make since? he did not do an antibodies
test. should he?
nancy

Hallo, ik reageer regelmatig op deze site op vragen van anderen maar nu zit
ik zelf met een probleem en hoop dat er mensen zijn die daar ervaring mee
hebben.
Ik heb in aug 98 een auto-ongeluk gehad. Er knalde iemand met een flinke
vaart achterop. Resultaat: ernstige WL, hernia en kapotte heup.
Ik ben nog steeds bezig met procederen tegen de TP en daar zit nog niet
veel schot in. Daarnaast heb ik geprobeerd zoveel mogelijk te werken.
Ik was afgekeurd voor 55/65% en heb dat zelf teruggedraaid naar 35/45%
omdat mijn werk niet te doen was in 12 tot 18 uur. Achteraf dom, ik heb
mijzelf overschat en kwam daar ook al snel achter.
Helaas was er toen niks meer aan te doen. Ondanks dat ik van alles heb
geprobeert was niemand bij het UWV geïnteresseerd en kreeg ik pas 1 1/2
jaar later antwoord door middel van een nieuwe keuring.
Dit was alleen omdat ik ondertussen ingestort was omdat ik mijn werk echt
niet vol hield. Het bedrijf is in die tussentijd verhuisd waardoor ik per
dag ruim 4 uur moest reizen voor woon/werk verkeer. Ook dat hield ik niet
vol. Mijn klachten heb ik onderdrukt door nog meer pijnstillers te slikken
en alles waar je maar energie van kreeg te slikken. Natuurlijk zegt je
lichaam op een gegeven moment Ho. Maar mijn werk was/is voor mij heel
belangrijk.
De pijn was niet meer te houden en ik had bijna dagelijks zware migraine
achtige hoofdpijn, ook mijn handen gingen steeds meer tintelen, zo erg dat
ik soms mijn vingers tot bloedens toe kapot beet omdat pijn minder erg is
als tintelen.
Als je weer ziek wordt door de zelfde oorzaak gaat de wet Amber in werking.
Volgens het UWV was dit echter een nieuw ziektegeval. Ik heb een burn-out.
Mijn tegenargumenten zijn: zonder alle ellende van het ongeval had ik geen
burn-out gekregen dus kan ik aanspraak maken op de wet Amber. Ook mijn
werkgever denkt er zo over, dus zijn we nu een bezwaarprocedure gestart.
Daarnaast heeft mijn werkgever na 5 jaar proberen en alles uit de kast te
hebben getrokken nu besloten om mijn ontslag aan te vragen omdat men zegt:
je kan echt niet meer, je moet tegen jezelf beschermd worden. Helaas hebben
ze gewoon gelijk. Er wordt een hele nette regeling getroffen dus ik mag niet
klagen. Alleen wil men wel zodra het ontslag in gaat mij beter melden. Ik
vraag mij af of ik daardoor niet veel rechten verlies. Ik ben 48 en heb 29
jaar gewerkt waarvan de laatste 9 bij deze werkgever.
Wie weet hier meer van?
GRoet
Anne

Hello again thank you for the welcome. I have no idea
why i have hypo the Dr did not say should I ask? Does
there have to be a reason? i am very new to this
thyroid crap
nancy

Hallo.
Ik heb gisteren de uitslag van de neurospygoloog gehad. Deze was heeel erg
slecht . op een score waar je 100 punten kon halen behaalde ik de 10 nog niet
eens. En dit was het geval zowel bij mijn concentratie als geheugen .
Mijn taal en rekenvaardigheid was gelukkig wel goed.
Een oorzaak hiervan is mogenlijk dat ik telang me heb moeten conceteren en
erg veel pijn had die dag.
Ik krijg ook nieuwe testen . Omdat deze waarschijnlijk niet goed zijn .
Mijn doen en laten klopt namelijk niet bij de uitslagen.
Nu krijg ik testen die niet 3 uur achter elkaar duren , en waar er minder
druk op miij komt zodat ik beter kan presteren.
heel veel liefs
patries

Hi Nancy,

My name is Kat and I understand where your coming from. I Have an overactive thyroid and my Doctor is talking about taking it out and I'm nervous about it.

If you ever need to talk, I'm here for you. And even thogh yours is hypo and mine is hyper we are still in the same boat. This is the best group and everyone is so sweet and helpful.

You will be happy you have joined there are a lot of people that will help you and give you advice or even just support you. And I'm one of them.

Take Care

God bless

Kat

Thank's Meleese, for your kind words. Funeral is this week. very busy at the

moment. will go over my dad's when all over to help him sort things out.

They have been married 55 years March 17th. Christine.

Hello my name is Nancy, I live in Ny.I have had a problem with my
thyroid for over a yr now, well that was when I found out I had it,
mine is hpothyroid. I did not know I could feel so bad most of the
time, one thing after the other. I am glad to know there is somewhere
to go, to talk to other people who have the same thing. Thank-you for
letting me join this group
nancy

Hi Birdie,

I had a similar thing happen to me last summer.

I was also over medicated (too much Cytomel.) I cut back on that only (kept T4 the same) and went from 25-37.5 a day to 5-10 a day. I am still at 5-10 per day...and much better (although have also been hypO again too.) I also FELT very off last summer...not just tired though...I had some tremors, some heart stuff, extreme sweating (very oily) and I would get soooo overheated. I did have extreme fatigue, but I also had a sleep problem that was essentially eradicated by going off anti-depressants. I do have mild sleep apnea (positional only, when on my back, which is rare.) I also have FMS (Fibromyalgia)...but thank God that has been under pretty good control for a while now...I do have a few days that flare up, but not a full blown flare for several months now. FMS is aggravated by lack of sleep (lack of oxygen to the muscles and organs for repair.) So your FMS should get better with the C-PAP...give it some time. I also ask you to consider acupuncture and OMT for your
FMS. It has been WONDERFUL for me...I believe it to be why I have not had a flare in a while.

In regard to the fatigue. I had that soooo bad for sooo long (many years). Come to find out (via great new doctor) I have Celiac disease (also auto immune.) I took gluten out of my diet...and WOW! what a difference. I know now when I have been 'glutened' as there are several symptoms. One is that I fall asleep shortly after eating (or have a SEVERE desire to lay down and sleep.) Food intolerances create extreme fatigue for me, they work as a sedative! I am being tested soon for 'food mold' intolerances (as something still in my diet bothers me on occasion, and I believe it to be Cheddar cheese..boohoo!)I may also be tested for night shades (I know some of them bother me to some degree, peppers.)

My one doctor 'fired' me as I was 'a hazard to my own health' (how twisted she had it!)and I ended up with TWO new good doctors (not ideal, but very good.) One doc is functionally based (as is the entire 19 practitioner office.) They promote supplementation and replacement, but not always. They do not like to use drugs if another alternative is there. I was found to have adrenal problems, among other things. For treatment...she wanted me to REST them. She did not want me to take something that would give me energy *as I would likely OVER expend, thus causing the cycle to continue and also cause other issues down the road. She reminds me: You have a specific adrenal reserve...DO NOT go over it. Like a bank account, don't try to use more than you have...or you will pay much more in the long run.

I hope this has been of some help to you,
Laura

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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 04:27:24 -0000

Birdie here are URL's to join these groups..............btw my TSH is 0.05
which my doctor thinks is fine, as I have Hashi's and a TSH close to zero is
often the best .................Meleese xxx

Hi, Birdie,
A lot of people are still "hypo" until their TSH drops to 0.01 or something
like that. There are some doctors out there who aren't nervous about this as
long as their patients are doing well and feeling well. They worry about
bone density, but some research indicates that it's hypothyroidism that
causes bone density drop, not hyPERthyroidism.
If you would like to discuss this further, you might join the groups

Can you post your labs birdie?? Why did they say you were
over-medicated??........Meleese xxx

Hello !! Just a quick question,if you don't mind.My last two thyroid
tests show that I'm over medicated.My Dr. has been gradually
decreasing my synthroid,but not the cytomel.I'm wondering if my
terrible fatigue is due to too much medicine.Ofcourse I also have
fibromyalgia/cfs as well.And now sleep apnea.I'm on a c-pap
machine,and this has helped tremendously.However the fatigue is still
with me.What do you think?Too much thyroid medicine could be adding to
the fatigue problem?I really appreciate any information you might
have...Thank-you...birdie

Christine,
My prayers and deepest sympathies are very much with you at this time of
your great loss. May God comfort you in His consoling arms.
Cherwyn

Sorry to hear that Christine.

((hugs)) for you and the family. My your memories and her spirit bring you and the family much comfort.

my mother passed away today Sunday at 2.20pm all the family were there.
Christine Hacon UK

http://www.medpagetoday.com/Endocrinology/Thyroid/tb/2711

Local Anesthesia Rivaling General for Thyroid Surgery

By Jeff Minerd, MedPage Today Staff Writer
Reviewed by Zalman S. Agus, MD; Emeritus Professor at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine.
February 20, 2006
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MedPage Today Action Points
* Explain to interested patients that local or regional anesthetic techniques may be appropriate for patients undergoing thyroidectomy.
* Explain to patients that, under local or regional anesthesia, they will still have some awareness of being in the operating room and may feel pulling or pressure on the surgical wound.

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TEMPLE, Tex., Feb. 20 - Although long out of fashion, local anesthesia for thyroid surgery, rather than a general, seems to be making a comeback, researchers here say.
Thyroidectomies under a local with monitored anesthesia care can be performed faster with less patient recovery time than with a general while maintaining equally good outcomes, reported Samuel K. Snyder, M.D., a surgeon at the Scott & White Clinic here, in the February issue of the Archives of Surgery.
Early in the 20^th century, thyroid surgery was performed using local anesthetic techniques, but this approach "fell by the wayside" as general anesthesia became safer, said Dr. Snyder and colleagues. With the development of minimally invasive thyroid surgery techniques, however, locals are once again being used by some surgeons.
Both approaches come with significant advantages and disadvantages, which Dr. Snyder and colleagues discussed, along with results of their study.
The investigators conducted a prospective study including 58 consecutive thyroidectomies performed at the Scott & White Memorial Hospital during 2000-2001. Half the patients were randomized to general anesthesia, and half to local anesthesia with monitored anesthesia care.
Patients in the local anesthesia group spent an average of 13 fewer minutes in the operating room (P=.13) than the general group, the researchers found.
However, the most significant time saver was that the local procedure "virtually eliminated" the need for patients to spend time in the postanesthesia care unit (an average of 80 minutes for the general group versus four minutes for the local group; P<.001), the authors said.
Nearly all patients were discharged from the hospital on the same day. Overall, patients in the local group spent about an hour less in the hospital before discharge than the general group (165 minutes versus 229 minutes; P=.02).
The cost savings to the hospital was estimated at $315 per patient in the local group, the investigators said, adding that cost savings would vary by institution.
The rate of nausea and vomiting was higher in the general anesthesia group during the first 24 hours post surgery, but there was no significant difference in the rate of complications within 30 days of surgery. For example, one patient in each group experienced transient vocal cord paralysis, and no patients experienced permanent vocal cord paralysis.
Only one patient in the study required inpatient management of symptomatic hypocalcemia with the increased administration of oral calcium and short-acting vitamin D, or calcitriol. The other instances of hypocalcemia could be adequately managed on an outpatient basis.
"Even though anesthesia assignment was random and many patients did not necessarily receive their preferred anesthesia management, 96% of patients in both groups would recommend the same anesthesia to others scheduled for thyroidectomy," the authors said.
"The positive experience from this prospective randomized study indicated that either local anesthesia with monitored anesthesia care or general anesthesia could be offered to acceptable thyroidectomy candidates, such as those treated in this study, with the expectation of equal clinical outcomes and patient satisfaction," the authors concluded.
Advantages of general anesthesia include that the surgeon has a still operating field and the anesthesiologist has a controlled airway, the authors said. A chief disadvantage is prolonged recovery.
While local anesthesia with monitored anesthesia care offer