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Prostate Cancer Treatment Can Affect Thyroid
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Bee,
Hope you had a great Thanksgiving
I was wondering about your meds.
I take it you are taking 8 grains of armour, and some cytomel, how much of the cytomel are you taking and why?
Thanks
Lucy

Hi Ana,

Glad you decided to join us...

Things have been kind of quiet around here...

I used to forget to take my pills a lot too... mainly when I was on too little meds...

Now that I am on the right dose or at least close to it, I don't forget if i took it or not...

For one thing, for better absorption, I take it by letting it dissolve between my cheek and gum...I am on 8 grains of armour, and they have me taling 4-2 grain pills...it is kind of hard to not remember walking around with that many pills between the cheek & gum and not remember it..lol

I t takes a while for them to dissolve, so I remember it with no trouble...lol...I do forget to take my after noon dose of cytomel though...I need to come up with a way to remember that!

Hope to get to know you better! Hugs, Bee

Just wanted to say hello and Happy Thanksgiving to everyone...

Hope you all have a great day...

Remember to count your blessings, which can sometimes mean to count as blessings, the things you don't have...like things that could be wrong in your life, but aren't...

We usually think of blessings as the thing we have, but I know from times when I was really depressed, I had to really dig and come up with things that were not wrong, in order to feel better about my life...

I know that things could always be better...BUT then, they could always be worse too...

Have a great day! Hugs, Bee aka Charisse

Happy Thanksgiving to you, too!
--- LadyBchn@... <LadyBchn@...
=====
It's your body; it's your life.
Be proactive in your health care.

HI Yall
I'm so proud.... I have to brag :)
I was about to vaccuum the living room & dining room floor when I
reached to pick up some little scraps of newspaper that had fell off the
table. When I reached to pick it up, I found one of my thyroid pills
laying there next to the table leg. No telling HOW long it has been
there because it was in a place where we hardly ever go. The only time
we use those chairs is when we have company.
The reason I am bragging on the HaHa kids is becasue I have ALWAYS
feared dropping one an one of them grabbing it up without my knowing it.
Hannah sometimes but not often picks things up. Mostly if it's a crumb
or piece of dry kibble.... I try to vaccuum every other day or
sometimes just once a week depending on what is tracked in.
Hannah and Happy both lay under the table and they also play all over
the place. I'm so proud of them for NOT grabbing it up.
Usually I'm half asleep when I get up to take my Levoxyl, Joe said I've
been so sleepy and tired lately I may have got up an thinking I took it
dropped it and didn't realize it. GEEZ I guess I am loosing it
now. LOL
I'm ALWAYS very careful when I fill my pill box too, but I could ahve
dropped it then too.
Anyway I just had to brag.
I hope you all Have a Safe and Happy Thanksgiving. Happy is in the
kitchen now working on our feast. ;) Hope you all don't eat too much.
I know I am ready for my tryptophan fix. Giggle......
:::::::Hannah walks around acting like a turkey::::::::
GOBBLE GOBBLE GOBBLE!!!!!! GOBBLE GOBBLE GOBBLE!!!!!!
:::::::Happy rattles a pot & drops a pan:::::::::::
CRAAAAASH!!!!!!!
**Huggles**
Melissa
Happy & Hannah

Chocolate may hold cure for coughs

Mon 22 November, 2004 18:46

LONDON (Reuters) - An ingredient in chocolate could be used to stop persistent coughs and lead to more effective medicines, researchers say.

The study found that theobromine, found in cocoa, was nearly a third more effective in stopping persistent coughs than codeine, currently considered the best cough medicine.

The researchers, from Imperial College London (ICL), said the discovery could lead to more effective cough treatments.

"While persistent coughing is not necessarily harmful it can have a major impact on quality of life, and this discovery could be a huge step forward in treating this problem," said Professor Peter Barnes of ICL and Royal Brompton Hospital.

Ten healthy volunteers were either given theobromine, codeine or a dummy pill during the trial, which also involved Royal Brompton Hospital and St Bartholomew's Hospital.

To measure the effect of the different pill the researchers measured levels of capsaicin, which is used in research to cause coughing and as an indicator for the effectiveness of medicines.

The team found when the volunteers were given theobromine, the concentration of capsaicin needed to produce a cough was around a third higher than in the placebo group.

When they were given codeine they needed only marginally higher levels of capsaicin to cause a cough compared with the placebo.

The researchers, writing in the online FASEB Journal, said that theobromine worked by suppressing vagus nerve activity, which is responsible for causing coughing.

They also found that unlike standard cough treatments, theobromine caused no adverse effects on the cardiovascular or central nervous systems, such as drowsiness.

ThyroFeisty(FeistyWendy)
www.thyrophoenix.com
I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.
Sir Winston Churchill
British politician (1874 - 1965)

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Low-glycemic diet may help keep weight off and raise metabolism

24 Nov 2004 [INLINE]

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Dieters have higher metabolism, feel less hungry - Preliminary data from Children's Hospital Boston and Brigham and Women's Hospital, published in the November 24 JAMA, suggest that weight-loss diets may be more effective when dieters seek to reduce glycemic load - the amount their blood glucose rises after a meal - rather than limit fat intake. The findings indicate that a low-glycemic diet may overcome the body's natural tendency to slow metabolism and turn on hunger cues to "make up" the missing calories.
The low-glycemic-load (low-GL) diet reduces carbohydrates that are rapidly digested and that raise blood sugar and insulin to high levels -- such as white bread, refined breakfast cereals, and concentrated sugars. Instead, it emphasizes carbohydrates that release sugar more slowly, including whole grains, most fruits, vegetables, nuts, and legumes. "Our data suggest that the type of calories consumed - independent of the amount - can alter metabolic rate," says Dr. David Ludwig, director of the Optimal Weight for Life (OWL) obesity program at Children's Hospital Boston and the study's senior investigator. "That hasn't been shown before. The idea that 'a calorie is a calorie is a calorie' doesn't really explain why conventional weight-loss diets usually don't work for more than a few months."
Ludwig and colleagues randomized 46 overweight or obese adults aged 18 to 40 to consume one of two diets: a standard low-fat diet or a low-GL diet. Both diets provided approximately 1500 calories/day and were designed to produce a 10% weight loss in 6 to 10 weeks. However, the low-GL diet was higher in fat and made various carbohydrate substitutions, such as steel-cut oats instead of instant oatmeal, blueberries instead of raisins, and cracked-wheat bread instead of tortilla chips.
The 39 subjects who remained in the study succeeded in losing about 10% of their initial body weight. The low-GL dieters had smaller decreases in resting energy expenditure (averaging 96 kcal/day, or 5.9%) than the low-fat dieters (averaging 176 kcal/day, or 10.6%), meaning their metabolism did not slow as much. They also reported less hunger each day while on their diets.
"Almost anyone can lose weight in the short term - very few keep it off in the long term," says Ludwig. "That's given rise to the notion that the body has a 'setpoint' - and that when you diet, internal mechanisms work to restore your weight to that setpoint. A low-GL diet may work better with these internal biological responses to create the greatest likelihood of long-term weight loss."
Confirming other research, Ludwig's team also found that the low-GL group had significantly greater improvements in insulin resistance (a risk factor for diabetes) and serum triglyceride and C-reactive protein levels (risk factors for cardiovascular disease). They now have a long-term study, in a larger group of subjects, to see if people on the low-GL diet can indeed keep off the lost pounds.
Dr. Mark Pereira of the Children's Hospital Boston Department of Medicine (now at the University of Minnesota) was first author on the study.
Children's Hospital Boston is recruiting adults for a large-scale, 18-month study of the low-GL diet. Subjects will receive comprehensive dietary and behavioral counseling in individual and group sessions that will enable them to put low-GL diets into effect. Subjects must be overweight, 18 to 35 years old, and motivated to attend weekly sessions for four months. People interested in enrolling should contact Erica Garcia-Lago at 617-355-2500.
Children's Hospital Boston is the nation's leading pediatric medical center, the largest provider of health care to Massachusetts' children, and the primary pediatric teaching hospital of Harvard Medical School. Children's provides pediatric and

Low-glycemic diet may help keep weight off and raise metabolism

24 Nov 2004

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Dieters have higher metabolism, feel less hungry - Preliminary data from Children's Hospital Boston and Brigham and Women's Hospital, published in the November 24 JAMA, suggest that weight-loss diets may be more effective when dieters seek to reduce glycemic load - the amount their blood glucose rises after a meal - rather than limit fat intake. The findings indicate that a low-glycemic diet may overcome the body's natural tendency to slow metabolism and turn on hunger cues to "make up" the missing calories.
The low-glycemic-load (low-GL) diet reduces carbohydrates that are rapidly digested and that raise blood sugar and insulin to high levels -- such as white bread, refined breakfast cereals, and concentrated sugars. Instead, it emphasizes carbohydrates that release sugar more slowly, including whole grains, most fruits, vegetables, nuts, and legumes. "Our data suggest that the type of calories consumed - independent of the amount - can alter metabolic rate," says Dr. David Ludwig, director of the Optimal Weight for Life (OWL) obesity program at Children's Hospital Boston and the study's senior investigator. "That hasn't been shown before. The idea that 'a calorie is a calorie is a calorie' doesn't really explain why conventional weight-loss diets usually don't work for more than a few months."
Ludwig and colleagues randomized 46 overweight or obese adults aged 18 to 40 to consume one of two diets: a standard low-fat diet or a low-GL diet. Both diets provided approximately 1500 calories/day and were designed to produce a 10% weight loss in 6 to 10 weeks. However, the low-GL diet was higher in fat and made various carbohydrate substitutions, such as steel-cut oats instead of instant oatmeal, blueberries instead of raisins, and cracked-wheat bread instead of tortilla chips.
The 39 subjects who remained in the study succeeded in losing about 10% of their initial body weight. The low-GL dieters had smaller decreases in resting energy expenditure (averaging 96 kcal/day, or 5.9%) than the low-fat dieters (averaging 176 kcal/day, or 10.6%), meaning their metabolism did not slow as much. They also reported less hunger each day while on their diets.
"Almost anyone can lose weight in the short term - very few keep it off in the long term," says Ludwig. "That's given rise to the notion that the body has a 'setpoint' - and that when you diet, internal mechanisms work to restore your weight to that setpoint. A low-GL diet may work better with these internal biological responses to create the greatest likelihood of long-term weight loss."
Confirming other research, Ludwig's team also found that the low-GL group had significantly greater improvements in insulin resistance (a risk factor for diabetes) and serum triglyceride and C-reactive protein levels (risk factors for cardiovascular disease). They now have a long-term study, in a larger group of subjects, to see if people on the low-GL diet can indeed keep off the lost pounds.
Dr. Mark Pereira of the Children's Hospital Boston Department of Medicine (now at the University of Minnesota) was first author on the study.
Children's Hospital Boston is recruiting adults for a large-scale, 18-month study of the low-GL diet. Subjects will receive comprehensive dietary and behavioral counseling in individual and group sessions that will enable them to put low-GL diets into effect. Subjects must be overweight, 18 to 35 years old, and motivated to attend weekly sessions for four months. People interested in enrolling should contact Erica Garcia-Lago at 617-355-2500.
Children's Hospital Boston is the nation's leading pediatric medical center, the largest provider of health care to Massachusetts' children, and the primary pediatric teaching hospital of Harvard Medical School. Children's provides pediatric and adolescent health services for patients from birth through age 21. In addition to 325 inpatient beds and comprehensive outpatient programs, it houses the world's largest research enterprise based at a pediatric medical center. More than 500 scientists, including eight members of the National Academy of Sciences, nine members of the Institute of Medicine and 10 members of the Howard Hughes Medical Institute comprise Children's research community. For more information about the hospital visit: www.childrenshospital.org.
Contact: Bess Andrews
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617-355-6420
Children's Hospital Boston
adolescent health services for patients from birth through age 21. In addition to 325 inpatient beds and comprehensive outpatient programs, it houses the world's largest research enterprise based at a pediatric medical center. More than 500 scientists, including eight members of the National Academy of Sciences, nine members of the Institute of Medicine and 10 members of the Howard Hughes Medical Institute comprise Children's research community. For more information about the hospital visit: www.childrenshospital.org.
Contact: Bess Andrews
elizabeth.andrews@...
617-355-6420
Children's Hospital Boston

Rant below (sorry)....
I've been driving myself INSANE with reseaching headaches. The one I
have now has been going full-tilt-boogie for 35 days and counting.
In the last week I've had a medrol dose-pak, manipulation, steroid
shot (short and long acting). No affect on the pain from any of it.
Tomorrow I go in for a cervical MRI. $$$ :mad:
This is what I find mighty interesting.. my "gastroparesis" has been
in full flare the entire time I've had this headache. (Actually
tension headache from neck muscles. Neck pain is wicked bad).
At one time my neurologist said the headaches and the stomach acting
up were connected. I've had these headaches for 2 1/2 years. My
gastropaesis symptoms started at the same time. (gastropresis is
paralyzed stomach. http://www.g-pact.org for more info.)
So I do more (never-ending) thyroid research and find that all my
gastroparesis symptoms are hypo-thyroid symptoms. Four docs and
$10,000 later I find this out for myself. The dang endo tested 11
vials of blood and tested everthing on the planet. She subjected me
to a human growth hormone test [WORSE THAN SURGERY] and never
suspected these symptoms were thyroid related?????
HYPO-THYROID (moderate to severe)
GASTROINTESTINAL SYSTEM
Symptoms
anorexia
gaseous distention
constipation
Signs
prolonged gastric emptying
prolonged intestinal transit time
slowed intestinal absorption
From the website: http://www.thyroidmanager.org/Chapter9/ch9_2.htm
I can no longer go to the bathroom w/o Rx meds and my stomach is
still a mess. And maybe THIS IS REVERSEABLE, but maybe not.. it
could be nerve damage.
I also found minimal info on headaches being part of hypo thyroid.
Now I'm STEAMED. After all the docs and all the tests last year for
my stomach... now I'm on round two this year with the dang
headaches. AGAIN they have looked at all their options. AGAIN they
don't know what's wrong, and AGAIN they can find nothing to give me
any relief at all. I seriously doubt the MRI tomorrow will show
anything, but if it does I'll be happy to eat my words.
I think that everything that is going on w/ me is thyroid related.
I'll soon be on my 6th med change in 15 months. One way or the other
I'm upping the cytomel to see if the damn headaches go away.
The endo refused to give me T3 meds until I showed her a time-line
of my labs w/ mt T3 decreasing steadily over the last year. I've
been on Synthroid 125mcg and Cytomel 5mcg for the last 2 weeks.
I've just had it. Sick of the pain, sick barely being able to do my
job, sick of not being able to do things w/ my family. Sick of the
damn doctors. I swear if I have this pain one more day...... well I
guess I'll just swear, because I know it will be here to greet me in
the morning.
Take care all. I think I'm going to look for a thyroid specialist.

Then that is 15mcg a day, My quack had me on .5mcg once a day
FeistyWendy

Right. That is what I get. Cytomel 5 mcg tablets.. I take them 3 times a day.

Just to clarify-it's the Cytomel, not the generic, and it's mcgs NOT mgs?
Ileen Natic <inatic@...

I get it from the pharmacy . The script is written by doc.. It does come in 5mcg dosage J

I get it from the pharmacy . The script is written by doc.. It does come in 5mcg dosage J

Hello Everyone,

Hope that you all are feeling well and staying warm.

I just got back from my Endo and I feel a lot better about things. I feel like there is going to be light at the end of my tunnel after all. [INLINE]

Since I spaced out my scheduled labs in Oct that is why I went down hill from HypER to HypO and no one knew about it until I got real low on my T3. Ooops, that's my fault. [INLINE]

I asked her about dropping my Cytomel 25mcgs dose to 5mcgs and she looked at me like I was nuts BECAUSE the lowest dose that Cytomel comes in IS 25mcgs! She did say HOWEVER that I could slip or crush the 25mcgs pill up and take it as I feel needed. Since my T3 was less then .2 at my last labs that is why she wanted me to try to see if I could handle the whole 25mcgs. Based on her recommendations and how I felt I'm going to split the pill up and work my way up to the whole 25mcgs.

She wasn't sure where some of you are getting Cytomel that comes in a dose of 5mcgs so if you can explain that to me that might help. [INLINE]

I also asked her about Adrenal Treatment and she said NO I do not need that.

Since I've only been taking Synthroid and Cytomel for less then 2 weeks we're going to see how things are in 2 weeks and go from there.

I see her each month and have labs each month. Provided I don't forget. hehe [INLINE]

She recommended me to keep taking my meds, keep working out, keep eating healthy and continue to stay smoke free.

I hope that everyone is having a tolerable Monday.

Becca

Becca
~Sgl Parent First and Foremost~

Fighting Thyroid Disease since 1996
"Tomorrow is promised to no one."

Hi Everyone,

I picked up my Cytomel this morning. It's 25mcgs to go along with my Synthroid 88mcgs. Soooo I'll give it a whoral and see what happens. [INLINE]

Hope that everyone is having a great Sunday.

Becca

Becca
~Sgl Parent First and Foremost~

Fighting Thyroid Disease since 1996
"Tomorrow is promised to no one."

I read in Prevention that soy limits absorption of many medications,
especially thyroid meds.

Hi Becca!

Where in Indiana are you from? I live just outside the NW side of Fort Wayne...

I eat peanuts a lot, too...since I have an iron deficiency, I make a snack mix of semi-sweet choc chips, dry roasted peanuts, & raisins...it's not low in calories or even carbs, really, but as low as my iron always is, I figure I need to concentrate on the iron and chocolate, especially darker chocolates, are an iron source...and so are nuts and raisins...this helps to give me my sweet/chocolate fix...

Bee

Flannel CoffeeJunkie SgLParent <flannel_coffeejunkie_sglparent@...

Good Morning Bee,

Just wanted to say "Hello" to a fellow Hoosier. [INLINE]

I too eat a lot of goitrogenic veggies. I cannot go without my raw broccoli or cauliflower and the occasional batch of home made cole slaw. I also eat a lot of peanuts for their protein. I love peanuts.

Becca
Bee Fuddled <beefuddled912@...

Hi all,

I have never heard that cooked soy was ok...most say to just avoid soy...the exceptions are supposed to be fermented soy...like tofu, miso, & soy sauce...the sad thing, is , that they are putting soy filler into everything in order to cut the cost...ever bought any deli lunch meat and wondered what the gelatinus goo is between the hunks of real meat?

Both of my sons have been studying the soybean in school...we live in Indiana and live outside the city limits and a lot of the kids at the school are from farm families...a lot of these farmers are soybean farmers...one project that they did was to have each child bring in one item that has soy added... we were hard pressed to find any products that DO NOT have soy added in one way or another...even the vitamin salve that we bought for my kids turtle's' shells are made from soybean oil...I figure that is it not so much that we choose to eat soy at times (I love hot/sour soup!) but it is more the fact that it is in everything we eat and we have to go out of our way to not eat it...this is why so often you will see me suggest making as much of your food as you can from scratch...to avoid all the fillers and preservative and eat REAL food...

The kids made a HUGE banner that they hung on the wall outside their classroom that listed all the products that they came up with that had soy in them...to the teacher and the farmers, this was a thing to celebrate...I stood there thinking OMG, no wonder there are so many of us with thyroid probs...we are no longer allowed to choose what we eat, because if it is cheap, then they are gonna cram it in everything we eat...

the goitrogenic veggies (& fruits) are supposed to have less effect, the more they are cooked...

I for one, especially now that I am on a good amount of meds and have a doc who does not hesitate to up my dose according to how I feel, eat as I feel like eating...I have always loved most of the goitrogenic veggies, raw or cooked and while I do not eat lots of them raw, on a daily basis, I don't hesitate to put a little raw broccoli or culiflower in a salad...I occasionally eat cooked brussel sprouts or make a batch of cole slaw...

I have read that these foods effect everyone differently (like everything else with this disease) and that we need to pay attention to how we feel in the few days after ingesting these foods...

I consider my doc to be one of the best for thyroid disease in the world, yet he says he doesn't feel like eating soy or other goitrogenic foods have that much of an impact...

I think it is just something that we either need to avoid, or if we decide that we really like these foods and want to eat them, then we just have to eat them and as long as we don't notice a big difference in how we feel afterward, we will know that we are not someone who needs to worry about it...

I know that one woman that I met through the about forum was about as sick as they come...just could not get better...then she decided to try a raw foods diet and gradually worked her way up to an approx. 80% raw diet and she feels the best she has in years...has lost weight, has tons of energy, has been able to lower her dose of thyroid meds, yet she eats all the goitrogenic veggies raw...

I think that diet, like everything else with this, is another area where we are all different and just have to see for ourselves what benefits or hurts us...

Obviously, if you are already, constantly tired and not on enough meds, the last thing that you should do is load up on lots of raw veggies that MIGHT slow down your thyroid even more...

On the iodine issue, some swear by taking an iodine supplement and others have had a bad reaction to taking extra iodine...to me, it is risky, since it could throw you over to the hyper side, which CAN be disastrous...

I think we just have to try and figure our what works (or doesn't) for each of us...read everything we can get our hands on and consider all of the pros and cons and our own body's reactions and then follow our own gut feeling about it...

Below is a list that I picked up a while back...I never noticed garlic on it before...hmmm

Hugs, Bee

here's the list of foods that it is SUGGESTED should be eaten cooked and in moderation,
unless otherwise noted to avoid it entirely:
Almonds
Asparagus
Babassu (a palm-tree coconut fruit popular in Brazil and Africa)
Bamboo shoots
Bok choy
Broccoli
Brussels sprouts
Cabbage
Cauliflower
Chick peas (garbanzos)
Flaxseed (this is up for debate, do a google.com search)
Garlic
Groundnuts
Herbs of the Barbarea and Residea families
Horseradish
Kale
Kohlrabi
Leafy greens (turnip greens, mustard greens, collard greens)
Legumes (beans and peas)
Lima beans
Linseed
Maize
Millet (cooking seems to INCREASE goitrogenic effect)
Mustard greens
Nectarines
Onion
Peaches
Peanuts (roasted are probably okay)
Pears
Pine nuts (pignoli)
Processed meats
Radishes
Rapeseed (oil) - from which canola is derived
Rutabaga
Spinach
SOY in all it's various forms -- AVOID
Strawberries
Swede
Sweet potatoes
Swiss chard
Turnip greens
White turnip
Wasabi
Watercress
kim <kckim@...

does that mean cooked soy is fine then? is soy milk/cheese/shakes ect cooked?

Hi Sue

I've read/heard that we should avoid goitrogens (soy is a goitrogen). Other Goiterens are: cabbage, broccoli, rutabaga, cauliflower, kale, brussel sprouts, watercress, and peanuts. Goitrogens contain chemicals which block the production of thyroid hormonel, but cooking partially inactivates the interfering chemicals, so in most cases it is wise to eat these foods cooked. Raw peanuts or soybeans should never be eaten (peanut butter is heated to a high enough degree that the goitrogens are destroyed). I have also heard/read that seaweed & kelp should be avoided (iodine) and that dairy products & refined sugars should be eliminated or at least greatly reduced.

Joy

Good Morning Bee,

Just wanted to say "Hello" to a fellow Hoosier. [INLINE]

I too eat a lot of goitrogenic veggies. I cannot go without my raw broccoli or cauliflower and the occasional batch of home made cole slaw. I also eat a lot of peanuts for their protein. I love peanuts.

Becca
Bee Fuddled <beefuddled912@...

Hi all,

I have never heard that cooked soy was ok...most say to just avoid soy...the exceptions are supposed to be fermented soy...like tofu, miso, & soy sauce...the sad thing, is , that they are putting soy filler into everything in order to cut the cost...ever bought any deli lunch meat and wondered what the gelatinus goo is between the hunks of real meat?

Both of my sons have been studying the soybean in school...we live in Indiana and live outside the city limits and a lot of the kids at the school are from farm families...a lot of these farmers are soybean farmers...one project that they did was to have each child bring in one item that has soy added... we were hard pressed to find any products that DO NOT have soy added in one way or another...even the vitamin salve that we bought for my kids turtle's' shells are made from soybean oil...I figure that is it not so much that we choose to eat soy at times (I love hot/sour soup!) but it is more the fact that it is in everything we eat and we have to go out of our way to not eat it...this is why so often you will see me suggest making as much of your food as you can from scratch...to avoid all the fillers and preservative and eat REAL food...

The kids made a HUGE banner that they hung on the wall outside their classroom that listed all the products that they came up with that had soy in them...to the teacher and the farmers, this was a thing to celebrate...I stood there thinking OMG, no wonder there are so many of us with thyroid probs...we are no longer allowed to choose what we eat, because if it is cheap, then they are gonna cram it in everything we eat...

the goitrogenic veggies (& fruits) are supposed to have less effect, the more they are cooked...

I for one, especially now that I am on a good amount of meds and have a doc who does not hesitate to up my dose according to how I feel, eat as I feel like eating...I have always loved most of the goitrogenic veggies, raw or cooked and while I do not eat lots of them raw, on a daily basis, I don't hesitate to put a little raw broccoli or culiflower in a salad...I occasionally eat cooked brussel sprouts or make a batch of cole slaw...

I have read that these foods effect everyone differently (like everything else with this disease) and that we need to pay attention to how we feel in the few days after ingesting these foods...

I consider my doc to be one of the best for thyroid disease in the world, yet he says he doesn't feel like eating soy or other goitrogenic foods have that much of an impact...

I think it is just something that we either need to avoid, or if we decide that we really like these foods and want to eat them, then we just have to eat them and as long as we don't notice a big difference in how we feel afterward, we will know that we are not someone who needs to worry about it...

I know that one woman that I met through the about forum was about as sick as they come...just could not get better...then she decided to try a raw foods diet and gradually worked her way up to an approx. 80% raw diet and she feels the best she has in years...has lost weight, has tons of energy, has been able to lower her dose of thyroid meds, yet she eats all the goitrogenic veggies raw...

I think that diet, like everything else with this, is another area where we are all different and just have to see for ourselves what benefits or hurts us...

Obviously, if you are already, constantly tired and not on enough meds, the last thing that you should do is load up on lots of raw veggies that MIGHT slow down your thyroid even more...

On the iodine issue, some swear by taking an iodine supplement and others have had a bad reaction to taking extra iodine...to me, it is risky, since it could throw you over to the hyper side, which CAN be disastrous...

I think we just have to try and figure our what works (or doesn't) for each of us...read everything we can get our hands on and consider all of the pros and cons and our own body's reactions and then follow our own gut feeling about it...

Below is a list that I picked up a while back...I never noticed garlic on it before...hmmm

Hugs, Bee

here's the list of foods that it is SUGGESTED should be eaten cooked and in moderation,
unless otherwise noted to avoid it entirely:
Almonds
Asparagus
Babassu (a palm-tree coconut fruit popular in Brazil and Africa)
Bamboo shoots
Bok choy
Broccoli
Brussels sprouts
Cabbage
Cauliflower
Chick peas (garbanzos)
Flaxseed (this is up for debate, do a google.com search)
Garlic
Groundnuts
Herbs of the Barbarea and Residea families
Horseradish
Kale
Kohlrabi
Leafy greens (turnip greens, mustard greens, collard greens)
Legumes (beans and peas)
Lima beans
Linseed
Maize
Millet (cooking seems to INCREASE goitrogenic effect)
Mustard greens
Nectarines
Onion
Peaches
Peanuts (roasted are probably okay)
Pears
Pine nuts (pignoli)
Processed meats
Radishes
Rapeseed (oil) - from which canola is derived
Rutabaga
Spinach
SOY in all it's various forms -- AVOID
Strawberries
Swede
Sweet potatoes
Swiss chard
Turnip greens
White turnip
Wasabi
Watercress
kim <kckim@...

does that mean cooked soy is fine then? is soy milk/cheese/shakes ect cooked?

Hallo Allemaal,
Mijn rechtsbijstand verzekering wil mijn zaak over doen aan De Kempenaer te
Arnhem. De behandeld advocaat zal Mw. Mr. C.W. Langereis zijn.
Wie heeft er ervaring met de Kempenear en/of Mw./ Mr. Langereis?
Groet,
Geert

Hi, I'm Sue. I'm 44 and have recently been diagnosed with
Hashimoto's thyroiditis. I am doing well on thyroid replacement, but
know that I should stay away from ( or limit) my consumption of soy.
Is there anything else I should add to this list??
thanks, Sue

A funny prank pulled on the TGIF restaurant chain using a faked Atkin's
menu:
http://cockeyed.com/pranks/menu/menu01.html
ThyroFeisty(FeistyWendy)
www.thyrophoenix.com
I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.
Sir Winston Churchill
British politician (1874 - 1965)

Not sure exactly what "energy dense" means...Bee

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/?newsid=16531

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Two new Penn State studies show that people who pursue a healthy, low-fat, low-energy-density diet that includes more water-rich foods, such as fruits and vegetables, consume more food but weigh less than people who eat a more energy-dense diet.
Dr. Barbara Rolls, who holds the Guthrie Chair of Nutrition in Penn State's College of Health and Human Development, directed the studies. She says, "In one of the studies, we looked at the eating patterns of 7,500 men and women who constituted a representative sample of American adults. In the other study, 101 obese women were counseled to increase their intake of water-rich foods and to select reduced-fat foods rather than full-fat ones. In both cases eating more low-energy-dense, water-rich foods, such as fruits and vegetables, was associated with lower body weights.
"Decreasing the energy density of your diet by choosing more low-energy-dense foods, such as fruits and vegetables, can be a successful strategy to lose weight without counting calories or fat grams," she adds.
Both studies were detailed today, Wednesday, Nov. 17, at the annual meeting of the North American Association for the Study of Obesity in Las Vegas, Nevada.
Dr. Jenny H. Ledikwe, postdoctoral fellow in nutritional epidemiology, conducted the study in which she looked at the diet patterns of 7,500 typical Americans. She calculated the average daily energy density of their intake using two 24-hour recalls from the 1994-96 U.S. Department of Agriculture Continuing Survey of Food Intakes by Individuals. She then compared the participants with low, medium and high energy density (ED) diets.
Ledikwe found that despite the fact that the people in the low energy density group ate a greater weight of food than those in the high energy density group, they consumed fewer calories and weighed less. She notes, "Individuals who ate low-fat, high-fiber diets rich in fruits and vegetables weighed less, consumed more food and had healthier eating patterns. "
Julie Ello-Martin, doctoral candidate in nutrition, conducted the study in which women were counseled. In this study, 101 obese women were divided into two groups. One group, the energy density (ED) group, was counseled to eat more water-rich foods and to choose fat-reduced foods as ways to lower the energy density of their diet. The second group, the reduced-fat (RF) group, was counseled with more restrictive messages focusing on eating less fat and limiting portions.
The women in both groups received individual counseling for six months and a follow-up period of six additional months of individual and group counseling. No calorie or fat gram goals were assigned in either group. The women could eat whatever they wanted while following the principles they learned in their counseling sessions.
After the first six-month period, the women in the ED group had lost 21 pounds while the women in the RF group had lost only 15 pounds.
The women in the ED group also significantly lowered the energy density of their diet versus the RF group but there was no difference in fat intake.
Ello-Martin says, "This is the first long-term study to look at how a low energy density diet can affect body weight. It's important because it shows that a healthy diet pattern can result in significant weight loss without couting calories or fat grams." Ello-Martin's co-authors are Liane Roe, research nutritionist, and Rolls. The study was supported by a grant from the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Disease.
Ledikwe's co-authors include Rolls and the following nutritional epidemiologists from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention: Heidi M. Blanck, Laura Kettel Khan, Mary Serdula, Jennifer D. Seymour, and Beth C. Tohill. The study was supported by grants from the National institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases, and an appointment to the Research Participation Program at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Division of Nutrition and Physical Activity administered by the Oak Ridge Institute for Science and

Education.
Contact: Barbara Hale
bah@...
814-865-9481
Penn State

Could you please tell me more about this? E-mail me directly if you
want.
Also, I have a relative who suffered from Graves. She then went
hypothyroid and now has been diagnosed with Seliac Sprue. Apparently
this is very common in people who have had Graves.
Angela

I was getting really bummed I lost my money on York Lab's food allergy test but I FINALLY got it yay! I did the 110 food allergy test and they put it very nicely into this book.. (I was freaking out wondering where my test was but it was in the guidebook.. very classy)

Foods I'm alergic to

gluten, egg white, tuna, seseme seed, cow milk, salmon/trout, almod, hazlenut

food to rotate:

wheat (which doesnt make sense since thats gluten), port, white fish, coffee, lamb, turkey, lentils, yeast

Hallo allemaal,
Jullie horen niet zoveel van mij, ik ben een stille
lezer zal ik maar zeggen :-)
Na een heerlijke dag te hebben gehad afgelopen zaterdag
kwam ik thuis en lag daar voor mij een brief van het GAK
te wachten. A.s. woensdag om 11.00 moet ik bij de arts
mw. Pelzers komen. Het gesprek kan een uur duren staat in
de brief.
Ik wist dat dit zou komen, 5 juni zit ik een jaar in de ziektewet.
De aanvraag voor WAO uitkering is al in februari gedaan, ruim
op tijd dus en nu de keuring bij de arts.
Ik zie er vreselijk tegenop, wat gaan ze zeggen of doen?
Er staat dat ik rekening moet houden met een lichamelijk onderzoek.
De vorige keer dat ik bij deze arts was deed ze ook een onderzoekje,
ik had haar vriendelijk verzocht mij niet in de nek aan te raken, dat vind
ik zo vreselijk namelijk, en ze kunnen het toch niet voelen.
Ik maakte de bewegingen die zij wilde zien, op een gegeven moment
pakte ze mijn arm hield die vrij lang omhoog voor me uit.
Iets wat ik niet lang vol kan houden, toen ik dit aangaf vond ze dat ik me
aanstelde en zei dat het vast niet zo erg kon zijn.
Wat ik me nu afvraag is of ik direct te horen krijg hoe zij over de
situatie denken of ik voor een bepaald percentage afgekeurd zal
worden of dat ik dit later in een brief thuis krijg.
Uiteraard neem ik iemand mee, helaas kan mijn vriend niet mee
i.v.m. zijn werk, dus gaat een vriendin van me mee.
Ook zal ik een briefje maken met belangrijke punten hierop
zoals klachten, medicijngebruik.
Als iemand nog goeie tips heeft of anderzijds ervaringen wil
vertellen met keuring voor het GAK hoor ik dit graag.
Groetjes,
Esther

Hi.
Has anybody heard of the supplement Thyrostart? Anybody actually
used it? I found it on a website for women. It supposedly helps your
body more efficiently convert fat to enery but the site did not say
what it contained. I am wondering if it's worth a try.
Angela

Hematology MalignanciesA novel, targeted therapy may offer hope in deadliest variant of thyroid cancerRS-5444 has activity against ATC in cell lines and mouse models, either alone or as a combination therapy.
November 2004
VANCOUVER, British Columbia - An orally available, novel small-molecule drug known as RS-5444 (Sankyo) may one day improve survival in a particularly lethal type of thyroid cancer.
Researchers at the Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville, Fla., led by John A Copland, PhD, report that RS-5444, a third-generation peroxisome proliferator-activated gamma agonist (PPARã) that targets the protein transcription factor PPARã, is a potential mono- or combination therapy for anaplastic thyroid carcinoma (ATC), perhaps, the most aggressive and deadly variant of thyroid cancer.
"Our data indicate that RS-5444, alone or in combination, may provide effective targeted treatment to patients diagnosed with ATC," Copland wrote.
Copland presented his study at the 76th Annual Meeting of the American Thyroid Association, here
There are no approved therapies for the management of ATC, and survival among patients diagnosed with the disease is typically between three and seven months. Most patients are over 60 and rarely respond to chemotherapy or radiation. Surgery is usually not possible.
PPARg therapies, which can be used alone or with other agents, have favorable adverse event profiles and can be administered orally.
PPARg agents work by inhibiting cell proliferation when activated by a PPARã agonist. RS-5444 has a threefold greater affinity to PPARã than similar drugs of their previous generation.
In a subtype of thyroid cancer - follicular carcinoma - researchers discovered that a chromosomal rearrangement occurs in more than 50% of cases. This rearrangement results in the fusion protein PAX8/PPARã. PAX8/PPARã is a nonfunctional protein but blocks the activity of normal PPARã in follicular thyroid tumors.
This, Copland and his colleagues suggested, indicates PPARã may play an essential role in normal thyroid function and may have some tumor-suppression activity.
Unlock mechanisms
"At the molecular level, we have discovered a number of cyclin kinase inhibitors that provide a rationale for the unusual sensitivity of this deadly, chemoresistant tumor subtype to PPAR and gamma agonism."
- John A Copland, PhD, and Robert C. Smallridge, MD
Because the PAX8/PPARã mutation has not appeared in ATC, researchers speculate, based on results from in vitro and in vivo models, that RS-5444, by acting on PPARã, can unlock mechanisms leading to reduced tumor mass and control of disease.
In cells lines, Copland and his associate Robert C. Smallridge, MD, along with other researchers at the Mayo Clinic, found that targeting the protein transcription factor PPARã inhibited tumor growth. Of note, Copland and Smallridge said, is that they were indeed able to duplicate their findings in a mouse model.
"At the molecular level, we have discovered a number of cyclin kinase inhibitors that provide a rationale for the unusual sensitivity of this deadly, chemoresistant tumor subtype to PPAR and gamma agonism," Copland and Smallridge wrote.
RS-5444, which does seem to exhibit preclinical activity as a monotherapy in the lab, might also make for a viable component in a combination regimen. Copland and Smallridge wrote that the PPARã agonist appears to have enhanced antitumor activity when it's used with retinoic acid and paclitaxel. As a combination therapy component, the agent worked in both human cell lines and in mice, providing "100% ablation" of cells in an in vitro model.
Future studies will further examine the underlying mechanisms of RS-5444.
For more information:
Copland JA, Kurakata S, Fujiwara K. Single agent and combinatorial therapy of a novel high affinity PPARã agonist inhibits human anaplastic thyroid tumor growth. Abstract #141. Presented at the 76th Annual Meeting of the American Thyroid Association. Sept. 29-Oct. 3, 2004. Vancouver, British Columbia.

ThyroFeisty(FeistyWendy)
www.thyrophoenix.com
I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.
Sir Winston Churchill
British politician (1874 - 1965)

Also!!! Oranges...or any other vitamin C source, are great to eat anyway... helps with absorption of iron and other nutrients in foods...Bee

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* Other Zone-friendly folate sources include: spinach and other leafy green vegetables, asparagus, broccoli, and legumes (especially peas).

Hi Yall,
Got this from someone in another group I'm in. I thought I would
pass it along.
**Huggles**
Melissa

Adrienne, feel free to email me if you want the diet I've used for years that my Dr put me on in the 60's. I had my radiation in the 50's, and have been on Synthyroid for year, and Armour's for years in between, and the Armour's is so much better for me. Even though you test to be on the right dosage, you still have to diet, and the thyroid doesn't help. After being on it for 2 months, things seem to level out, and you'll find that thyroid doesn't just control your metabolism, but every organ in your body, including eyesight. If it's even a little off, don't go for an eye exam. I've been treated for rheumatory arthritis, diabetes, and a bunch of other horrible stuff, just to find out that my thyroid had fluctuated slightly. Changing the dosage fixed me right up, but I had the most trouble on synthyroid. (But that's just me) Every one's different, as different on the inside as the outside, but, after changing eating habits, you'll naturally feel better, and a lot of things
will just fall into pllace in your life, just feeling better about yourself. I wish you the best, and email if you need any support, advice, or just want to get rid of frustration. I know what you're going through. I'm also a cancer survivor, so my thyroid is a minor inconvenience for me, compared to having a lung removed, just a year before back surgery. I know the frustration of not 'perfect' health, but know what? I'm a 56 yr old grandmother, and still snow ski, travel, rollerblade, have done hair for 35 years, and am now in the oil business. There is life after setbacks with your health, and it takes lots of frustration, feelings of being 'different', really setting your mind to your goals, then spoil the grandkids to pay back my kids for everything they did or didn't do for me when I needed them. Live is fun, and make the most of it. If we didn't have set backs, we'd never appreciate the sun coming up, or a beautiful sunset. (or the love of family) Hang in there
Sweetie, life is great, and only gets better. (I'm new here, too, and it feels great to feel needed)

Always,

Charlotte
AB <sunshineab622@...

I found this link through Pams journal. I have had thyroid problems
on & off my whole life. In Feb I went through Thyroid radiation, I
have nodules on my thyroid that have formed into a cyst. They did a
biopsy 2 months ago & it came back No cancer. I am taking 100 mcgs of
sythroid which I still do not think is strong enough.
I have about 80 lbs I would like to lose - I have recently gone back
to Low carbing ....
Adrienne

I found this link through Pams journal. I have had thyroid problems
on & off my whole life. In Feb I went through Thyroid radiation, I
have nodules on my thyroid that have formed into a cyst. They did a
biopsy 2 months ago & it came back No cancer. I am taking 100 mcgs of
sythroid which I still do not think is strong enough.
I have about 80 lbs I would like to lose - I have recently gone back
to Low carbing ....
Adrienne

Thanks, Sweetie, I'll order for my daughter who has problems, but hasn't been diagnosed, as yet, with our thyroid disorder. I only eat once a day, stay busy, and keep my weight under control. But, I've had my share of years of dieting to control the ups and downs.

Best of luck to you, it's a merry-go-round!

Charlotte
"FeistyWendy(ThyroFeisty)" <thyrofeisty@...

http://www.wemarket4u.net/fatfoe

I am not spamming you, just this is an interesting site....

read about the fabulous FatFoe Eggplant
Extract Fat Blocker. I know you will want to share this with all of your
friends.
Read the page, take the test, then submit your answers. Then come back and
tell us what you think.

ThyroFeisty(FeistyWendy)
www.thyrophoenix.com
I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.
Sir Winston Churchill
British politician (1874 - 1965)

http://www.wemarket4u.net/fatfoe

I am not spamming you, just this is an interesting site....

read about the fabulous FatFoe Eggplant
Extract Fat Blocker. I know you will want to share this with all of your
friends.
Read the page, take the test, then submit your answers. Then come back and
tell us what you think.

ThyroFeisty(FeistyWendy)
www.thyrophoenix.com
I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.
Sir Winston Churchill
British politician (1874 - 1965)

I don't have a catalogue, but would love to order. I love their stuff
I use, and always want more, and would be more than happy to order
from you. Just email me back a reply.
Tukoolnana49 (Charlotte)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15483074

1: J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2004 Oct 13 [Epub ahead of print] Related Articles, Links

Click here to read
LEAN BODY MASS IS A MAJOR DETERMINANT OF L-THYROXINE DOSAGE IN THE TREATMENT OF THYROID DISEASES.
Santini F, Pinchera A, Marsili A, Ceccarini G, Grazia Castagna M, Valeriano R, Giannetti M, Taddei D, Centoni R, Scartabelli G, Rago T, Mammoli C, Elisei R, Vitti P.
Department of Endocrinology, University of Pisa, 56124, Pisa, Italy.
Total body weight is usually employed to calculate the amount of L-T4 (3,5,3',5'-tetraiodothyronine) to be administered in patients with thyroid diseases. Aim of this study was to evaluate the effect of body composition on L-T4 requirements. Body composition was assessed by dual energy x-ray absorptiometry in 75 patients on TSH-suppressive L-T4 therapy after conventional thyroid ablation for differentiated cancer. The mean daily dose of L-T4 was lower in normal-weight (127.5 +/- 21.3 microg/day) vs. overweight (139.4 +/- 24.5) and obese (151.3 +/- 29.1) subjects. There was a much stronger association between the L-T4 dosage and lean body mass (P < 0.0001, R=0,667) compared with fat mass (P = 0.023, R=0.26). Measurement of regional tissue composition showed peripheral lean mass as the best correlate with the dose of L-T4 (R=0.679, P < 0.0001) while no correlation was observed with peripheral fat mass. In conclusion, individual L-T4 requirements are dependent on lean body
mass. Age- as well as gender-related differences in L-T4 needs reflect different proportions of lean mass over the total body weight. An estimate of lean mass may be helpful to shorten the time required to attain a stable dose of L-T4, particularly in subjects with high BMI values that may be due either to increased muscular mass or to obesity.
PMID: 15483074 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

Wendy, Chlorine is a very strong chemical, and even the slightest
allergy trouble or just the fumes can give you chlorine poisoning.
I've had a lung removed to cancer, and don't even allow it in my
house unless I supervise its use and open all windows. This doesn't
mean there's any health problems involved, but the reaction to such a
strong chemical as chlorine can create a scare in amyone. If no other
symptoms occur, just stay away from it, and it's also helpful to use
the nice new scents, but very diluted, and well-ventilated, as for
use in all chemicals, and never!!!!! mix Chlorine with anything else.
You're OK, if that's the only time you get sick is with its use. If
it continues in everyday life, then check out symptoms, but you're
perfectly normal being sensitive.
Take care,
Tukoolnana49 (Charlotte)

I've never used any of them but here are some links that other's
have used:
http://www.antiaging-systems.com/
http://smart-drugs.net/index.html
http://www.myrxforless.com/
Mary

Hi, Deb, I've been in your shoes, but did my 50 lbs weight gain at
14, and now I'm 56 and wear a size 4. Find a 'real Dr' and don't just
do the T-3,T-4, and take the new test. It's a little pricy, but after
getting on the right dosage, my rheumatory arthritis, diabetes, ets,
have all gone away. Thyroid regulates every organ in your body, and
mine had to be killed with radiation at the age of 7. All we can do
is diet, drink lots of water, (60-80 oz per day), eat 1/2 of what
everyone else eats, and stick with Armour's, it's natural. With
weight loss and lots of patience, and a couple of months on the right
dosage, you will have that new life and new body. There IS hope, and
I'm living proof. In high school, I went from a size 7 to a size 16
in one month. Boy! Was that a trip! email me back if you need
support. If I don't answer immediately, I work on the road, but will
get back to you in a day or two, and good luck, and God Bless!!!!
Charlotte---(Haley's Nana)

Hi,

I am new to the group. I joined last weekend but haven't had time to introduce myself until today. I'm Deb, 32 years old and I have Hashimotos disease. Geez, that sounds like I'm at an AA meeting. LOL!!! Anyway....I have had a terrible time with doctors and am now self medicating with generic Armour and other supplements. I have been doing this for a month and feel fantastic.

I am have a huge problem of course with the weight. I have been told that the nearly 70 pounds I put on in less than six months was my imagination and that I was just a lazy pig. Ummmmm.....okay I fired that doctor. That was the last one I saw when I finally gave up on doctors. I have managed to lose about five pounds since I started self medicating, but I have a long way to go.

All my weight is centered around my midsection. Lovely place to have it. I am gradually working up to being able to walk the three blocks to take the kids to the sitter's house every day. That's just pathetic since a couple of years ago I could work out for an hour or more at a time and still be able to clean the house and play with the kids. Now I can't to any of that.

What I am interested in learning more about is how to get more exercise when I am still quite tired, but not as bad as it was, and the proper diet for thyroid disease. I am on a couple of other thyroid lists and many of the foods I enjoy eating and always thought were good, are supposedly bad for thyroid disease. I eat fruits, veggies, seeds and nuts, whole grains and we do have some meats, turkey, chicken and lean beef. We are also big dairy eaters, yogurt, cheese and milk. We also have fish about once a week, even if it is only tuna fish sandwiches. I know that there is a thyroid diet book, but have not purchased it because we are very strapped for cash, and we just got a gas bill that nearly made me faint. We do eat a lot of soups, mostly with veggies. We have in the freezer right now, chicken/veggie, beef/veg/barley, chili, beef stew, 15 bean soup w/ham, ham/great northern bean, minestrone, and I believe ox tail.

Okay, so now I am done rambling....gosh, how do I put all this together. I went from a size 4 to a 16 in less than a year. Help!!!! How do I combat the thyroid disease and get my body back?

Deb :-)

Does anyone have an adverse reactions to Chlorine Bleach--- the smell and/or contact?Heard this is may be symptomatic of Lupus...

ThyroFeisty(FeistyWendy)
www.thyrophoenix.com
I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.
Sir Winston Churchill
British politician (1874 - 1965)

Alright kids...thanks again for the motivation and thanks to all of
you I have now lost 10 lbs total!!! I have chosen to plateau for the
moment because I am sick of dieting, but I haven't gained anything
back so far! Keep posting your trials and findings for they are most
helpful.
Thank you,
Monica

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http://www.newstarget.com/001420.html

Monday, November 01, 2004 commentary:

Functional foods gain in popularity, but health claims on most brand-name groceries mislead consumers

Functional foods are gaining in popularity: big-name grocery product manufacturers like Kraft are making huge R&D investments in bringing these nutritionally enhanced foods to market. Likewise, customer demand for healthier, enhanced foods is surging.

But here's the real story on functional foods: most health claims on brand-name grocery store products are hogwash. Here's what I mean: take the most popular brand of strawberry milk powder. It's made primarily with refined white sugar, an ingredient known to promote obesity, diabetes, mood swings and ADHD in children. On the front label of this product, you'll find a claim about how it provides 100% of the daily requirement for calcium. This claim makes the product appear healthy when, in fact, it's a product made with ingredients that directly promote chronic disease. If anything, the label should say, "Diabetes in a can!"

Most of the health claims on brand-name functional foods are, in fact, misleading. The typical processed food product contains refined carbohydrates, hydrogenated oils, and various chemical additives like aspartame, MSG or artificial coloring. You can't make this product healthy by adding a tiny dab of calcium, iodine or lutein. The product is inherently unhealthy, and enhancing it with a few milligrams of something that's good for you doesn't offset the product's fundamental potential for harming your health.

In fact, the big food manufacturers really just exploit these health claims to sell more products, not to fundamentally make their foods healthier. They can take a highly toxic, disease-promoting manufactured food item, dose it up with extra calcium or soy, and slap a healthy-sounding claim on the front label, all with the full approval of the FDA.

If anything, food manufacturers hide behind these health claims, using them to camouflage unhealthy foods by adorning them with labels and claims that make them appear to be healthful. Meanwhile, the truly healthy foods aren't allowed to make any claims whatsoever. Spirulina, for example, which is an extraordinary health-enhancing superfood that contains phytonutrients, vitamins, minerals and abundant protein, can't be sold with any health claims whatsoever. Yet instant chocolate milk made primarily with sugar can. How's that for food politics?

This is why I think health claims on brand-name foods are worse than useless -- they're actually misleading to consumers. But they're great marketing gimmicks, and people believe the claims, which is why the big food makers want to keep slapping these claims on their food products. The truth, however, is that virtually all the grocery products manufactured by the big, popular food producers are extremely bad for human health. They're made with an alarming variety of metabolic disruptors -- ingredients that interfere with normal human metabolism. Tossing in a few milligrams of ground of sea shells (calcium powder) doesn't materially improve the health of these products.

Related Reading:

* The introduction of iodine to Morton Salt in 1924 was instrumental in eradicating a dangerous thyroid condition called goiter from the U.S. population.
* It was also the first time a food company purposely added a medically beneficial ingredient to food to help market that product.
* Eighty years later, the food industry is intensively researching all kinds of other healthful ingredients it hopes to use to help sell otherwise everyday foods.
* Now, though, consumers' growing awareness of health and nutrition, and new regulatory rulings that will make it easier for manufacturers to make health claims on packaging, are re-energizing the "phood" business.
* "It's definitely a big deal," said David Lockwood, editor of a recent report on functional foods by market research giant Mintel International Group Ltd. "We expect (the functional-foods business) to grow about 7.6 percent annually through 2008 -- that's about twice as fast as the overall food market is going to be growing."
* Company founder and chief executive J. Darius Bikoff said some major food companies rushed into the functional-foods category several years ago without enough understanding of consumers and little patience when the idea didn't catch on right away.
* Dozens of petitions have been filed with the agency, seeking permission for such claims: Sports-drink maker American Longevity wants to claim that lycopene reduces the risk of cancer; coral calcium producer Marine Bio USA has petitioned for a claim that calcium can reduce the risk of kidney stones; and the North American Olive Oil Association wants permission to use a claim that monounsaturated fatty acids can reduce the risk of heart disease.

Source: http://www.indystar.com/articles/3/159580-4413-047.html

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does anyone have a list of actual online foreign pharmacies?

Hoi Bart,
Of het verstandig is om in een vroeg stadium zo veel mogelijk te laten
onderzoeken weet ik niet. Ik heb destijds wel de nodige onderzoeken laten
doen, omdat ik heel graag de oorzaak van mijn klachten wilde weten, in de
hoop dat die oorzaak behandelbaar was. Ook kan je bijvoorbeeld een MRI
gebruiken om bepaalde oorzaken uit te kunnen sluiten (tumor? die koppijn
moet toch ergens vandaan komen?).
De zoveel mogelijk objectieve, meetbare gegevens waar ik over schreef heb ik
bedoeld als mogelijkheid om tot een goede afhandeling van de zaak te komen.
Dit omdat het belangrijk is dat de beperkingen zo duidelijk mogelijk zijn
indien de medische eindsituatie bereikt is. Dan immers kan zo nauwkeurig en
eerlijk mogelijk de schade berekend worden.
Over de beste onderzoeken of instituten kan ik je niet adviseren. Ik ben ook
maar een simpele WL-er die alleen uit eigen ervaring kan spreken. Volgens
mij moet je zo snel mogelijk naar een letselschadeadvocaat. Die kan je op
vrijwel alle relevante terreinen gedegen advies geven cq naar de juiste
instantie doorverwijzen.
Zie dit alsjeblieft niet als afschepen, want dat is zeker niet de bedoeling.
Ik heb echter niet de pretentie dat ik voldoende van de materie weet voor
specifieke adviezen.
Ik hoop dat ik je een heel klein stukje verder geholpen heb.
Groetjes,
Piet

IRON DEFICIENCY MAY CUT IMMUNITY
Iron deficiency impaired immunity of up to 50 percent of seemingly healthy, well-nourished, homebound, women age 60 and above, a Pennsylvania study finds. "Iron deficiency in our study was associated with impairments on two measures of immunity at levels that may render older adults more vulnerable to infections," says study leader, Namanjeet Ahluwalia, of the Pennsylvania State University. "It's best to be checked if you sense changes, such as being fatigued easily, breathlessness, attention problems or frequent infections; however, iron supplementation should not be started without lab work and a doctor's order." Ahluwalia will present the findings, published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, at the Fourth European Congress on Nutrition and Health in the Elderly in France in November.

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An amino acid for cardiac health

Elena Conis
L-carnitine, an amino acid made in the liver and kidneys, plays an important role in helping cells convert fatty acids into energy. It's also found in meat, poultry and dairy products and in small amounts in most plants. Babies, unable to synthesize L-carnitine, get it from breast milk.
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Uses: Intravenous L-carnitine is prescribed for people with L-carnitine deficiencies, which are rare genetic disorders. Oral L-carnitine supplements are taken in attempts to manage the symptoms of cardiovascular disease, age-related dementia and diabetes. The supplements are also sometimes taken to improve cholesterol levels and boost immunity.
Dose: For improving cardiovascular health, 500 milligrams to 2 grams a day in tablet or capsule form. Intravenous forms are available by prescription only.
Precautions: L-carnitine supplements can cause nausea, cramps and diarrhea, and pose a small risk of seizures. The amino acid can also reduce the body's uptake of thyroid hormone, so people with hypothyroidism should check with their doctors before taking the supplement.
Research: Animal and some human research shows L-carnitine can increase levels of HDL, or "good" cholesterol, while lowering LDL, or "bad" cholesterol. Several human studies also suggest that a supplement of the amino acid can improve symptoms in patients with various forms of cardiovascular disease. There's little evidence to suggest it can help people with Alzheimer's disease, diabetes or compromised immune systems, though one study has suggested it may improve immunity in people infected with HIV. Current research is investigating whether L-carnitine can combat fatigue in people with cancer.

Hallo Geert,
Helaas ken ik De Kempenaer in Arnhem niet. Ik hoop dat anderen wat meer
info kunnen verstrekken over dit bedrijf. Ik ken de polisvoorwaarden van RBV
niet, maar in hoeverre heb jij invloed op de beslissing aan wie het wordt
over gedragen ?
Wat ik me wel afvraag is of je tegenpartij al schuld heeft erkend. Het is
wel belangrijk dat dat als eerste gebeurd. Als dat zo is nl., is zij
verplicht alle (advocaat)kosten buiten rechte te betalen en ben je vrij in
je keuze van jouw belangenbehartiger en ben je dus totaal niet afhankelijk
van een RBV. Die is alleen handig zodra je een gerichtelijke procedure wil
starten. Samenspraak/werking met je RBV is dus wel van belang. Anderzijds
zullen ze graag een centje mee willen pikken van het hele gebeuren.
Ik lees je antwoord, bevindingen en ontwikkelingen graag.
groeten
Wouter
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Patients Report Dissatisfaction With Care
October 28, 2004 09:03:02 AM PDT , HealthDay

By Amanda Gardner
HealthDay Reporter

THURSDAY, Oct. 28 (HealthDayNews) -- A survey of patients in five of
the world's top industrialized nations finds wide variations in
primary care quality and access -- and considerable dissatisfaction
with care, especially in the United States.
"The survey indicates shortfalls in accessibility, coordination,
safety, and patient-centered care," said Cathy Schoen, lead author
of the report and a vice president for health policy, research, and
evaluation at The Commonwealth Fund.
But identifying the problem is often the first step toward solving
it, others pointed out.
"This is a wonderful tool and gift that's been given to us," said
Dr. Andrew Bindman, associate professor of medicine, epidemiology,
and biostatistics at the University of California, San Francisco.
Both Schoen and Bindman spoke Thursday at a news briefing in
Washington, D.C., to unveil the survey results; the session was
attended by health ministers from seven countries. The findings also
appear in the Oct. 28 online edition of the journal Health Affairs.
Primary care can be considered a bellwether for how well the overall
health-care system is doing. "Primary care is instrumental to
country performance, and helps countries integrate complex or
multiple sites of care," Schoen said.
The report, titled Primary Care and Health System Performance:
Adults' Experiences in Five Countries, is based on the 2004
Commonwealth Fund International Health Policy Survey, which polled
1,400 adults in each of the five nations -- Australia, Canada, New
Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States -- between March
and May 2004. The report is the seventh in a series of annual
international surveys.
Respondents in the United States were most negative in their overall
views of primary care, while respondents in the United Kingdom were
the least negative, echoing previous findings. One-third of U.S.
adults called for rebuilding the health-care system. Views in New
Zealand and Canada have grown increasingly positive over the past
six years, with fewer calls to rebuild. The mood in Australia,
meanwhile, has fluctuated. Still, the majority in each of the
nations favored major reform, with only a minority indicating they
were "very confident" they would get high-quality and safe medical
care when they needed it.
"In no country is the majority of patients satisfied," Schoen
said. "Most indicate a need for substantial reform."
Patients in the United States and Canada reported the most
difficulty getting same-day appointments when they were sick, and
reported waits of six days or more. Not surprisingly, this lack of
access translated into higher use of emergency rooms for non-
emergencies in both countries.
While about half of patients rated their emergency-room experiences
as excellent or very good, sizable proportions in all five countries
said they had waits of two or more hours before being treated.
Perhaps more disturbing, up to 15 percent of patients in each
country reported getting incorrect test results or delays in being
notified of abnormal results. The problem was most acute in the
United States.
"This is a missed opportunity for engaging patients in their own
care," said Robin Osborn, a report co-author and vice president and
director of the Commonwealth Fund's International Program in Health
Policy and Practice. "This finding points to other system failures
that may have serious consequences in terms of coordination of
care."
The United States had the best rates of preventive care, such as Pap
tests and mammograms, but reported the most out-of-pocket medical
costs.
One-fourth of U.S. respondents said they had paid more than $1,000
in out-of-pocket medical costs in the past year, compared to 4
percent to 14 percent in the other countries. Perhaps as a result of
this, U.S. patients were also more likely to say they had gone
without needed care because of cost issues, with two out of five
reporting access problems related to cost.
"Cost affects access, and we see quite stark country differences
that reflect insurance systems and the comprehensiveness of benefit
packages," Schoen said. "The U.S. stands out as the most exposed to
medical bills when seeking medical care, and the U.K. stands out as
the most protected." Britons are covered under a nationwide health
system run by the government.
Lower-income adults in all countries were more likely to forgo
medical care, but the rates were again highest in the United States,
with 57 percent saying they went without care vs. 12 percent in the
United Kingdom.
The report also tracked communication and relationship issues
between doctors and patients. Respondents in all nations said the
doctor spends enough time, although Australia and New Zealand had
the highest ratings in patient-centered care. The United States
scored last on this count.
While the report highlighted deficiencies, it also pointed to
opportunities, the authors said. "These shortfalls are amenable to
policy action, and we have a great opportunity," Osborn said.

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Hi Yall,
Things have been really busy here since Happy & Hannah were sick.
I'm slowly getting things back to normal whatever normal is. LOL
Between going to help out my friend once a week and cleaning on my place
it's a bit nuts. I'm just glad things are slowing down a bit so I can
have some fun (Lord knows I need some fun for what all I been thru these
past couple years). :)
Happy & Hannah are doing much better. Only problem is now everytime
Happy gets the runnies I think he is about to have a relapse. :( I
guess I won't feel at ease for a while. I'm doing well. I go next week
to find out what the results of the after treatment scan is and to
check my levels.
I have decided to do an Online Pampered Chef Catalog show just to
have a bit of fun and something different to do. :) I would much
rather the lady come here and cook, but since I have no space for a
party here in this tiny apartment, I decided that the online show would
be best. :) Anyway I am wanting to invite you all to the Catalog
showing but don't have some of the names and addys. I didn't want to
send the invite to the group because I know some would get upset and
consider it spamming. Which I am not doing.....
If you all would like an invite PLEASE send me your name and email
addy. I get points for all who attend. This will be a great way to do
some of your Holiday shopping too. :) My email addy is
LadyBchn@...
**Huggles**
Melissa
aka LadyBichon
P.S. I hope you all don't get mad at me for sending this....

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Thyroid Cancer Afflicts Thousands Yearly

American Cancer Society Says Nearly 23,600 Are Diagnosed With Thyroid Cancer Each Year in U.S.

The Associated Press The Associated Press

WASHINGTON Oct 25, 2004
In thyroid cancer, Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist faces a disease that can be mild or very aggressive, depending on the type of cancer. The type affecting Rehnquist was not announced immediately.

This relatively uncommon illness will be diagnosed in about 23,600 Americans this year, according to the American Cancer Society.

It starts in the thyroid, a gland in the neck below the Adam's apple that produces hormones to help regulate the body's use of energy.

Some types of thyroid cancer "can be highly effectively treated with surgery, iodine and thyroid suppressant medications," and the patients can live long, healthy and normal lives, said Dr. Paul Wallner of the National Cancer Institute. Patients who have the other, more aggressive types don't do as well.

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Two crucial factors that determine the outcome are which type of tumor the patient has and what type of surgery was done, Wallner said.

The patient's age, ability to tolerate surgery and any possible complications also play large roles. Rehnquist is 80.

Supreme Court officials said a tracheotomy was performed on the chief justice.

That procedure, which involves opening the th