RE: [ThyroidFitness] Isocort--Help Speed U Up or Slow U Down?

2007-08-31 17:52:00

Mabreen,

Isocort was incredible for me! I can't recommend it enough. It was as vital to me getting well as the thyroid hormones themselves were for me (I have Hashimotos). I also know of another person, Ileen who it helped a lot. I also had a friend at work develop bursitis in her him and finally after getting sick of me nagging her to try it, took it and was totally pain free in 2 days and has been so ever since.

I only need to take it now when exceptionally run down, or I'm fighting colds, etc.

Valerie

Isocort--Help Speed U Up or Slow U Down?

2007-08-31 11:20:43

Hi everyone.
Can people please share their experiences with Isocort? I really can't afford anything that's going to make me hyper? But I am looking for something to give me a boost with the energy drain of CFIDS?
How has Isocort worked for you?
Thanks for any input you can give.
Mary in CT

Tired as Ever

2007-08-31 06:42:45

appointment that I had on the 4 and reshedule it for the 11 by then
most of the results should be in from the test that they did when I
was in and lab work that they had done that was going to take
awhile.Because oHi to all well I am still tired and fighting the pain.
I had cancel my f the raynauds that I have the change in weather is
not helping me at all makes things a bit worse including my back
pain.They did cut back on my thyroid medication to 75mg now.I have a
refill on my pain meds that I have to pick up tomorrow it dose not
take away the pain all the way takes the edge off sometimes.This
fibromyalgia is also a pain in the neck. I go for my nerve test next
month.I am going to try and go to bed and hope that I can sleep like I
did last night it was not the best but better then the night before.
Kim

Re: [ThyroidFitness] Introduction

2007-08-31 03:11:08

HI Rita,

Welcome to the group...

Glad you decided to join us...There are lots of good, knowledgeable people here...Please feel free to post to ask questions or help anyone else...or even to pass on an article or link that you find...even those of us, old-timers, appreciate new info and there are usually enough newbies, that the good info cannot be repeated often enough to make sure they all see it...

Are you doing better on cytomel only than on t4 only? I am on armour which is a combo of t4 & t3, plus cytomel...my body was starving for t3...on t4 only and even on armour only...I think I am finally close to where I need to be as far as my meds...I am on 8 grains of armour and take between 12.5 & 25 mcg of cytomel a day...depends on my symptoms how much I take...

I think that the most important thing to remember about all of this is that everyone is different and hardly anyone has the exact same meds requirement as anyone else..

I also think that so many of us who got on here are special cases who the usual course of treatment did not work for and finding doctors willing to step outside the synthroid box is harder to do...this is why there is such a need to connect with others who are in the same boat and found things that help and are willing to share...

I am a 45 year old woman, dx'd in 1995, but think I have had this much longer than that...I finally got on here to do my own searching about 3 1/2 years ago, after suffering needlessly on too little meds and no t3...

Hope to get to know you better! hugs, Bee
Rita Stafford_bones <rainbow_wolf2656@...

Hi,
My name is Rita.
I'm 48 and was diagnosed 8 years ago with Graves disease. I had RA 1 1/2 years later.
I just changed from synthroid to cymotel 2 months ago. I have used a service dog for the past 3 years and have been on disability for the past 2 years do to having 9 invisible diseases.
Last year I was in the hospital and gained 40 lbs in 3 months. I have just lost 5 lbs within the past month.
I am interested in learning and sharing what I have learned.
Hugs, Rita

Re: [ThyroidFitness] Great news!!!!!!

2007-08-30 21:43:21

Melissa,

This IS great news! I sincerely hope this is the answer to all of your prayers...

Hugs, Bee
melissa <jerseygirl0329@...

As you know my blood work indicated that I was very hypo. but my PCP wasn't treating me accordingly. So, I called the surgeon who told me that he would refer me to a good endo after he received my bloodwork. Well, he never received the blood work! On friday he referred me to his father (the endo) Dinesh Mathur. I called just a few minutes ago and the receptionist said, "can you be here by 10:30 tomorrow?" She said you need more meds and I am fitting you in tomorrow. Woohoo! I am thrilled. He is a top doc at the hospital where I had the surgery done. He is also board certified in Internal Medicine. I hope to have great news for everyone again tomorrow after the appointment!

Melissa

Brookline Lab Rescue Volunteer: http://www.dogsaver.org/brookline
"Dreams are the touchstones of our character." Henry David Thoreau

Great news!!!!!!

2007-08-30 15:08:49

As you know my blood work indicated that I was very hypo. but my PCP wasn't treating me accordingly. So, I called the surgeon who told me that he would refer me to a good endo after he received my bloodwork. Well, he never received the blood work! On friday he referred me to his father (the endo) Dinesh Mathur. I called just a few minutes ago and the receptionist said, "can you be here by 10:30 tomorrow?" She said you need more meds and I am fitting you in tomorrow. Woohoo! I am thrilled. He is a top doc at the hospital where I had the surgery done. He is also board certified in Internal Medicine. I hope to have great news for everyone again tomorrow after the appointment!

Melissa

Brookline Lab Rescue Volunteer: http://www.dogsaver.org/brookline
"Dreams are the touchstones of our character." Henry David Thoreau

RE: [ThyroidFitness] Constipation...a little graphic maybe for some...lol

2007-08-30 12:56:49

Hi Lyn,

this is one of the symptoms that has been one of the most bothersome for me...

I fouind that the thing that helped the most was to eat a diet very heavy in fruits and veggiesand drink lots of water, but even that did not always help...

If I knew I was having probs, I would take stool softeners and sometimes a laxitive if I just could not get my diet to help it...

There were also times when an enema or suppository was the only way I could get relief...it was not a matter of not going, it was a matter of " I was going to go", but because of the constipation, it was a very painful process...(sorry)

Now that I am on a better amount of meds, I don't have near the trouble...

I don't reccommend the stool softeners, enemas, suppositories, or laxitives except as a last resort, since you want your body to do the job on it's own rather than to be dependent on unnatural means...

Try adding another helping of fruit and or veggies to each meal, drink extra water or maybe even a glass of prune juice each morning...I know that some take fiber tablets to help...

Hang in there, Hugs, Bee
evelyn tombs <e_tombs@...

Talking of constipation- any idea what I can do to allieviate this nasty
problem that dominates my life???
Yours in distress
Lyn

Some Thyroid Disease &amp; assorted links that I have been sent...

2007-08-30 01:55:39

Anaesthetic Implications Of Thyroid Disease http://www.usyd.edu.au/su/anaes/lectures/thyroid_tmc.html

Experts Change Low Thyroid Diagnosis Criteria

http://www.mercola.com/2001/jan/28/thyroid_disease.htm

THYROID EYE DISEASE

http://www.thyroidfoundation.org/ted.htm

The Diagnosis and Treatment of Hypothyroidism

http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates/article.asp?PageType=Article&ID=528

What Hypothyroidism Can Do

http://www.nurseweek.com/ce/2405sb1.html

Thyroid Function Tests

http://www.hsc.missouri.edu/~daveg/thyroid/thy_test.html

Hypothyroidism Presenting as Tendinitis

http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues/1997/01jan/knopp.htm

Dietary Management of Thyroid Disorders

http://www.bawarchi.com/health/thyroid.html

Fluoride & Thyroid Activity

http://www.fluoridealert.org/galletti.htm

Support for Underactive Thyroid Gland

http://www.health4youonline.com/article_underacvtive_thyroid.htm

Women: Think Again, do you have these symptoms?

http://www.raincross.com/nutrition.htm

Answers To Common Questions About Endometriosis

http://www.endometriosistreatment.org/index.html

11. What about GnRH agonists? http://www.endometriosistreatment.org/html/question11.html

t4 drug to armour conversion...

2007-08-30 01:17:42

Hi, I have finally made the decision to try Armour. I
am calling a doc from the Armour site on Monday. I
have been on 125 synthroid and 7.5 cytomel......... i
have loads of symptoms and cant' budge a pound. What
should I be looking for during the change over......
should i know rather quickly if armour is better for
me? I have Hashi's but doc say my thyroid is not
functioning. I am excited and nervous...........mary

Re: [ThyroidFitness] Problems with tiredness

2007-08-29 11:37:40

Hi Barb,

It is hard to say if the symptoms are caused by the generic or if because the dose was upped...are you feeling hyper? I mean I know you are tired, but are you nervous or jittery?

The main bad thing about being on the generic, is that when you go to get your meds filled, there is no guarantee that you will always get the same generic...I believe that there are 3 or 4 different brands of generic...the things is even the brand name drugs, like unithroid, levoxyl & synthroid are all formulated a little differently...

You could get a generic one month that is formulated one way and then the next month a different one...so you would never completley get regulated...

As for the symptoms, I know that when I was on too little meds, I had bad symptoms of what is similar to Irritable bowel syndrome...now that I am on a good dose for me, I no longer go through the constipated one day, and diarreah the next...

I see that your appointment was yesterday, I hope the doc ran new blood work to see where your numbers are...diarreah can be from either too much meds or too little...and change in meds could cause it too...

When people talk of tiredness, I always suggest that you make sure that your b12 and iron are not low...a deficiency in either one can cause lots of low thyroid symptoms...inclurding tiredness...

Does your doc do the free t3 & free t4 tests in addition to the tsh? These tests are much more telling than the tsh as to what is really going on in your body and how much actually free and useable hormone is available for use by your body...

An endo might be the answer, but not all endos are good with thyroid...have you checked the top doc list at Mary shomon's site or the armour doctor list?

http://thyroid.about.com/cs/doctors/a/topdocs.htm

http://www.armourthyroid.com/locate.html

this link is to my list of links that others have found helpfull in locating a good doc...

http://groups.msn.com/ThyroidHealthFitness/thyroiddrugdoctorsearchamprecallinfo.msnw

Thing is, with any of these links, you will need to call ahead and ask questions about how they treat thyroid disease...a lot of doctors will act like they know all about thyroid disease, but then leave you miserable...because they don't keep up with the latest research...Hang in there...

Hugs, Bee
ilovemuttstoo <ilovemuttstoo@...

This past July, my numbers went whacky so my doc upped my dose of Synthroid. At about the same time, my pharmacy changed me over to the generic form of synthroid. Since then, I have had problems with diarrhea and tiredness. It seems that I will go a few days feeling fine and then have a "crash" day when all I want to do is sleep. I
don't have the energy to get up off the couch to do anything. The bouts of diarrhea are accompanied with cramping and can get bad enough that I have to take Imodium to stop it.
I am going to see my doc this Friday for another blood test. I intend to ask him if the generic is causing all of the problems.
(My insurance company requires that the generic brand of all meds be used when possible.) I also want to talk to him about going to see an endo doc. My reg. doc. has given me every test in the world to try to find the cause of my tiredness before labeling it Chronic Fatigue, though it has never been this bad since I was first
diagnosed. I have Hashimoto's and am 48.
Any other suggestions?
Barb

t4 drug to armour conversion...

2007-08-29 11:11:21

Hi Joan,

I saw Topper's suggestion about the every other day thing and I agree that that is one way to balance things out without having to worry about splitting a pill that small...it works out to an average of 1 1/8 grain per day...

below is some info on how to figure the t3/t4 equivalent of armou/synthroid...I am also including a pretty good link that goes into quite a bit of detail on why all dosage conversions are approximate and other good info...the whole site looks to have good info on a lot of drugs...Hugs, Bee

1 grain of Armour = 9 mcg T3 + 38 mcg T4
T3 is 4 x stronger than T4
1 grain Armour = 4(9) + 38
1 grain Armour = 36 + 38 = 74 mcg of Synthroid

How To Switch From Synthroid To Armour Thyroid~~Finding The Right Replacement Dose When You Switch From Synthroid To Armour Thyroid. http://www.drumlib.com/dp/000016.htm

joan <joan85032@...

-btw, where is that conversion chart. My gp could use a chart. Plus, I need a dose that is 1.1/8 of a grain. I have to see if they make that. I am cutting the one grain, and trying to get quarters is one thing but 1/8 is tricky. LOL, Joan-- In

Digest Number 1006

2007-08-29 01:28:00

Joan, I have a suggestion. When trying to get my meds up when I was on Synthroid I found that taking the increase every other day for a few weeks eased me into it and then I could take it every day. When I switched to Natural (a generic) I had been off meds for quite some time and had to start slowing.. some of the increases my body was having trouble with and I tried the alternating days thing.. it helped me to adjust..

Might it work for you to take 1 grain then 1 and 1/4 -- alternating days?

... it would greatly reduce your frustration in trying to get accurate splits...

... just thinking out loud.

Topper (Linda)

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:39:43 -0000 "joan" <joan85032@...

-btw, where is that conversion chart. My gp could use a chart. Plus,
I need a dose that is 1.1/8 of a grain. I have to see if they make
that. I am cutting the one grain, and trying to get quarters is one
thing but 1/8 is tricky. LOL, Joan-- In

Re: Digest Number 1006

2007-08-28 18:37:36

Hi, because the properties are adding t3 , listen to what he says,
see how you react. It seems like it took a month for my body to
start to feel the differce from the armour. (for the positive.) I am
not a dr. so please do not change anything because of what I said. I
only shared with you, how it worked for me. That is very serious
medicine. Give your body a chance to rest, and the body to heal,
and also regulate. sincerely, Joan--- In

Fwd: Fw: About Thyroid Disease: T2 for Weight Loss, Optimal TSH Levels?

2007-08-28 17:43:47

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Live well,
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Re: [ThyroidFitness] Digest Number 1006

2007-08-28 08:12:02

Thanks Joan. I found a conversion chart online. Before I had half of my
thyroid removed I was on 50 mcg of synthroid with a TSH of 3.5 and i don't
know what the T4 was at that time. Well, now with half of a thyroid and a
TSH of 6.4 and a T4 of .87 he wants to only put me on 1/4 grain of Armour
which is half the dose that I was taking. You would think that he would put
2 and 2 together and realize that doesn't add up.
Melissa
Brookline Lab Rescue Volunteer: http://www.dogsaver.org/brookline
"Dreams are the touchstones of our character." Henry David Thoreau

Re: Lab results

2007-08-28 07:31:57

Just in case that is supposed to say Free T4 .87

I have the numbers too close together.

Melissa

Brookline Lab Rescue Volunteer: http://www.dogsaver.org/brookline
"Dreams are the touchstones of our character." Henry David Thoreau

Re: NEW INFORMATION ON THYROID FUNCTION: an article

2007-08-28 01:47:50

Hi Lyn,
This one has plagued me for years. Here are two things you can
try: regular use of digestive enzymes. Works as a softener. Have
tried psyllium fiber but doesn't do the trick for me. Do know lots
of others report relief from it. Lastly, when you really need a
break try the super dieters tea that has selenea (??) in it. This is
not really a dieters tea it is a natural laxature that I found to be
better and gentler than anything else. I found this tea at a health
food store.
Sherry

RE: [ThyroidFitness] NEW INFORMATION ON THYROID FUNCTION: an article

2007-08-27 16:52:53

Talking of constipation- any idea what I can do to allieviate this nasty
problem that dominates my life???
Yours in distress
Lyn

Some stuff I found on Rt3

2007-08-27 06:50:33

Reverse T3 Definition: A form of inactive triiodothyronine (T3) that is formed during periods of stress on the body. Also Known As: R-T3, RT3

http://thyroid.about.com/library/glossary/bl-reverset3.htm

Wilson's Syndrome Definition: Controversial syndrome identified by former M.D. who believes that stress on the body causes chronic low body temperature and Reverse T3 production. http://thyroid.about.com/cs/glossary/g/bl_wilson.htm

Searching for: reverse t3 http://www.medical-library.net/phorum/framer.html?/phorum/read.php lots of Q & A at the link
1. Wilson's Reverse T3 Dominance Syndrome Summary: Wilson's Reverse T3 Dominance Syndrome - Medical discoveries which profoundly affect the lives of millions are rare.

2. Biological and Mercury Free Dentistry Summary: Biological and Mercury Free Dentistry

[American_Thyroid_Patients] MORE THYROID INFORMATION-an article...

2007-08-27 04:07:10

Hi all,
Here is a response that I got to the article I posted earlier...I figured you would all be interested in Gail's explanations of all of this...she is the Gail from Gail's thyroid tips...
http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/w/u/wurmstei/ <<<a very good site...I laughed and cried the whole time reading it, when I first got on here, because I saw myself over and over in it...she tells of her own personal struggles with a wonderful sense of humor but also teaches us some valuable thyroid info that most doctors don't know or don't care about...definitely reccommended reading for the newbie who is not doing well, yet is told that you are "just fine"...I think she has made it "more professional looking" and such since I first read it, but having access to all of her research in her own search for wellness, is like a gold mine! Hugs, Bee
Gail Wurmstein <wurmfo@

Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 Subject: RE: [American_Thyroid_Patients] MORE THYROID INFORMATION-an article...

I really am so tired of people writing articles when they havent done the research first. The purpose of RT3 is NOT to just help clear some T4 from the body. NO NO NO! RT3 is converted into T2 because T2 is a metabolically active hormone. The most recent research shows that T2 is actually more metabolically active than T3. As a matter of fact, it is believed that the role of T4 is to store thyroid hormone in the blood for later conversion. T3 is for protein synthesis (for repairing damaged cells). RT3 is a mechanism for storing up hormone for later conversion to T2. T2 is used to convert blood sugar into ATP.

This is what the latest research shows. Wilson thought that RT3 was actually harmful. For years patients and doctors alike have speculated that perhaps I make too much RT3 and thats why I dont feel good. To this day, doctors believe that only T4 and T3 are useful hormones. Most will give you only Synthroid, insisting that you will make all the active T3 that you need from it. Some will go so far as to give you Cytomel, Thyrolar, or Armour, believing that if you dont feel good on Synthroid, perhaps you just need a bit of active T3 added to your regimen.

But in reality, T2 plays a very important role, as does RT3. RT3 is a vital, necessary hormone. Notice that our bodies actually produce more RT3 than T3 under normal conditions! And when you are stressed (or starving), your production of RT3 actually increases! RT3 is necessary so the body can make T2.

T2 is a dreadfully important hormone; this is THE HORMONE that is responsible for converting your blood sugar into ATP, the actual fuel that our cells burn. Our cells cannot use blood sugar for energy unless the hormone T2 is present. T2 actually converts the sugar into ATP and our cells use the ATP for energy. ATP is what feeds our cells. Please take note that when you are fasting or starving, your body increases production of RT3. The author of this article speculates that this is done to slow down metabolism. On the contrary, I believe that RT3 production increases in order to guarantee that there is enough T2 present to convert fat stores into ATP.

The author also says that increased cortisol production inhibits the conversion of T4 to T3, resulting in more RT3. Many doctors have the idea that cortisol is a very bad thing. In reality, our bodies cannot function without cortisol. If you make too little (even just a little bit too little), you wont feel good. Too much cortisol is NOT good for you (just as too much thyroid hormone, or too much of ANYTHING, is not good for you. Too much is just that: too much.). However, too little cortisol is also not good for you. The body releases extra cortisol in times of stress. Cortisol is just another bodily chemical and it plays a vital chemical role when you are in a fight-or-flight situation. It would appear that one action it has is to step up RT3 conversion. I would maintain that there is a reason for this. A caveman engaged in fight-or-flight needs instant cooperation from well-fed muscles. He also doesnt have time to stop for a snack. His body steps up RT3
conversion in order to feed his cells on the run. Later, when he has escaped from the saber-tooth tiger, he holes up in his cave and the stress drains off. Thyroid conversion returns to normal levels and his body makes more T3 to repair all the cells that got damaged in the fight/flight.

Take note that when a person is under chronic stress (such as combat), has Cushings disease, or takes oral cortisol (all of which are NOT natural situations), the body learns to ignore the high cortisol levels; after 1-3 weeks, RT3 and T3 conversion returns to the kind of ratio seen in normal-stress situations. The kind of chronic stressors that we face today are NOT normal or natural.

There are three different forms of T2 and each has its own specific job. We know that one form of T2 actually stimulates production of deiodinase, the enzyme responsible for hormone conversion (T4 to RT3 and T3, RT3 and T3 into T2, etc). If there is no T2 present, then there will be no deiodinase. No deiodinase means that your cells break down and tissues arent fed. This is why you feel so awful on Synthroid: the healthy thyroid gland produces a small amount of T2 directly so as to stimulate production of deiodinase. If you are on Synthroid, you are not getting any T2 and therefore arent making deiodinase.

This article really simplifies the whole deiodinase issue, naming only one enzyme (5-deiodinase). In reality, there are many different deiodinase enzymes just as there are many different thyroid hormones.

This is also why people feel so much better on Armour than they do on Thyrolar. Thyrolar contains only T4 and T3. There is no RT3 or T2. Patients on Thyrolar are going to suffer from a lack of deiodinase enzyme; they arent taking in any T2 to stimulate deiodinase production. Thyrolar patients have to convert almost all of their T4 into RT3 in order to produce adequate amounts of T2 (and I mean the T2 that the cells use to produce ATP).

This is also why you dont feel good on pure Cytomel either. If T3 is the only truly active hormone, then all of us thyroid patients should feel fantastic on a small dose of pure Cytomel, shouldnt we? We know T4 isnt really active; its supposed to get converted into T3, right? And everyone knows that RT3, T2, and T1 are just useless (with some insisting that RT3 is dangerous). Thus T3 is the only important hormone, isnt it, and we should all feel great on Cytomel, right? But we dont. Because T3 is used for protein synthesis and cannot be converted into RT3, nor can it be converted into the form of T2 used for ATP production. So thats why we dont feel good on pure Cytomel. We need RT3 and all three forms of T2.

By the way, the reason our bodies ache so horribly with fibromyalgia when we are hypo or on Synthroid is obvious: our cells are constantly being damaged and needing repair. Cells die and need replacing; we replace cells daily. Cell walls are made of protein that our bodies synthesize. And how do our bodies do such a thing? Well, T3 is necessary for protein synthesis. If you are taking Synthroid (or nothing), you dont have any T3 handy for repairing damaged cells (or replacing dead ones). So your body is full of damaged tissues. No wonder you hurt all over, eh?

Gail

More from Gail:

This is why, when you get a free T3 and free T4 tests while you are taking Synthroid, you will have nice high T4 levels but rock-bottom T3 levels. Its because you arent getting the T2 you need to make deiodinase so you can convert your T4.

Those few doctors who will bother to do free T3 tests will then tell you that you just dont convert well; you must be a poor converter. In reality, you probably are perfectly capable of converting your T4 into useful hormones. The only reason you arent doing it is that on Synthroid, you arent getting the T2 you need in order to make deiodinase.

My husband has often wondered how a thyroid patient would feel if she were given a T4/T2 combination medicine instead of T4/T3 like Thyrolar. We both still believe that Armour is the best choice as it is the most like a healthy glandular production, but it is interesting to speculate about what a T4/T2 med would do!

NEW INFORMATION ON THYROID FUNCTION: an article

2007-08-27 01:24:50

http://www.drguberman.com/news.cfm?date_range=4/01/04#50

April, 2004

NEW INFORMATION ON THYROID FUNCTION:

A RECENT STUDY SHOWED THAT NEARLY 13 MILLION AMERICANS MAY BE UNAWARE OF AND UNDIAGNOSED FOR THEIR THYROID CONDITIONS. ARE YOU ONE OF THEM?

NUTS AND BOLTS:

1. TSH(THYROID STIMULATING HORMONE) PRODUCED IN THE PITUITARY GLAND IN RESPONSE TO AN UNDERACTIVE THYROID IS A MYTH. IF TSH LEVEL IS HIGH BUT WITRHIN NORMAL RANGE IT STILL CAN MEAN THAT YOU HAVE AN UNDERFUNCTIONING THYROID. THE NORMAL RANGE OF TSH IS MUCH TOO HIGH. IF YOU TSH IS ABOVE 2 THERE IS A STRONG CHANCE YOUR THYROID GLAND IS NOT WORKING PROPERLY.

2. THE OLD BLOOD TESTS: TOTAL T4, T3 UPTAKE, FREE THROXINE INDEX. THESE ARE UNRELIABLE TESTS. THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED BY THE NEWER ONES DESCRIBED BELOW.

USE THE FREE T3 LEVEL AND THE FREE T4 AND TSH LEVELS TO HELP ONE IDENTIFY HOW WELL THE THYROID IS WORKING. FREE T3 AND FREE T4 LEVELS ARE THE ONLY ACCURATE MEASURE OF THE ACTUAL ACTIVE THRYOID HORMONE LEVELS IN THE BLOOD.

SYMPTOMS OF LOW THYROID:

FATIQUE

SKIN CAN BECOME DRY, COLD, ROUGH AND SCALY.

HAIR BECOMES COARSE, BRITTLE AND GROWS SLOWLY OR MAY FALL OUT EXCESSIVELY.

SENSITIVITY TO COLD WITH FEELINGS OF BEING CHILLY IN ROOMS OF NORMAL TMEPERATURE.

CONSTIPATION THAT IS RESISTANT TO MAGNESIUM

DIFFICULTY IN LOSING WEIGHT.

DEPRESSION AND MUSCLE WEAKNESS ARE OTHER COMMON SYMPTOMS.

MORE THYROID INFORMATION-an article...

2007-08-26 18:45:57

http://www.drguberman.com/news.cfm?date_range=8/01/04

MORE THYROID INFORMATION
August, 2004

Armour and Thyrolar both contain 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3. This is 4 parts T4 to 1 part T3 (the exact ratio is 4.22 to 1). Some endocrinologists now advocate the use of products containing both T4 and T3, but they recommend a higher T4 to T3 ratio. They prefer a ratio 10 parts T4 to 1 part T3. The lower T3 content of such products renders them far less effective than Armour and Thyrolar. In our clinical experience, the treatment outcome is inferior for patients who use products with the lower T3 content. The inferior treatment outcome is supported by two recent studies conducted by endocrinologists.[1][2] The studies showed that patients who added only a small amount of T3 to their T4 continued to suffer from symptoms, just as did patients who used T4 alone. The ratios of T4 to T3 the patients used varied, but most used a higher T4 to T3 ration than in Armour and Thyrolar. Of course, the endocrinologists restricted the patients' dosages according to their TSH and thyroid
hormone levels, and this almost guaranteed that the patients took too little thyroid hormone and continued to suffer from hypothyroid symptoms. If a new dose of Armour contains too little T4 and T3 to benefit you, youll have to go through another evaluation period. And youll have to do this again and again until you find what I call your "therapeutic window"a small dosage range that optimally benefits you without overstimulating you. That optimal dosage range is highly individual, but historically, the typical patients therapeutic window has been somewhere between 120 to 240 mg (2 to 4 grains). Theres no way to accurately predict what your therapeutic window is. Until you find it, you may not improve much from the Armour. But once you do, youre likely to feel that the wait was well worth it.

The thyroid gland secretes mostly T4 and very little T3. Most of the T3 that drives cell metabolism is produced by action of the enzyme named 5'-deiodinase, which converts T4 to T3. (We pronounce the "5'-" as "five-prime.") Without this conversion of T4 to T3, cells have too little T3 to maintain normal metabolism; metabolism then slows down. T3, therefore, is the metabolically active thyroid hormone. For the most part, T4 is metabolically inactive. T4 "drives" metabolism only after the deiodinase enzyme converts it to T3.

Another enzyme called 5-deiodinase continually converts some T4 to reverse-T3. Reverse-T3 does not stimulate metabolism. It is produced as a way to help clear some T4 from the body.

Under normal conditions, cells continually convert about 40% of T4 to T3. They convert about 60% of T4 to reverse-T3. Hour-by-hour, conversion of T4 continues with slight shifts in the percentage of T4 converted to T3 and reverse-T3. Under normal conditions, the body eliminates reverse-T3 rapidly. Other enzymes quickly convert reverse-T3 to T2 and T2 to T1, and the body eliminates these molecules within roughly 24-hours. (The process of deiodination in the body is a bit more complicated than I can explain in this short summary.) The point is that the process of deiodination is dynamic and constantly changing, depending on the body's needs.

Under certain conditions, the conversion of T4 to T3 decreases, and more reverse T3 is produced from T4. Three of these conditions are food deprivation (as during fasting or starvation), illness (such as liver disease), and stresses that increase the blood level of the stress hormone called cortisol. We assume that reduced conversion of T4 to T3 under such conditions slows metabolism and aids survival.

Thus, during fasting, disease, or stress, the conversion of T4 to reverse-T3 increases. At these times, conversion of T4 to T3 decreases about 50%, and conversion of T4 to reverse-T3 increases about 50%. Under normal, non-stressful conditions, different enzymes convert some T4 to T3 and some to reverse-T3. The same is true during fasting, illness, or stress; only the percentages change--less T4 is converted to T3 and more is converted to reverse-T3.

The reduced T3 level that occurs during illness, fasting, or stress slows the metabolism of many tissues. Because of the slowed metabolism, the body does not eliminate reverse-T3 as rapidly as usual. The slowed elimination from the body allows the reverse-T3 level in the blood to increase considerably.

In addition, during stressful experiences such as surgery and combat, the amount of the stress hormone cortisol increases. The increase inhibits conversion of T4 to T3; conversion of T4 to reverse-T3 increases. The same inhibition occurs when a patient has Cushing's syndrome, a disease in which the adrenal glands produce too much cortisol. Inhibition also occurs when a patient begins taking cortisol as a medication such as prednisone. However, whether the increased circulating cortisol occurs from stress, Cushing's syndrome, or taking prednisone, the inhibition of T4 to T3 conversion is temporary. It seldom lasts for more than one-to-three weeks, even if the circulating cortisol level continues to be high. Studies have documented that the inhibition is temporary.

A popular belief nowadays (proposed by Dr. Dennis Wilson) has not been proven to be true, and much scientific evidence tips the scales in the "false" direction with regard to this idea. The belief is that the process involving impaired T4 to T3 conversion--with increases in reverse-T3--becomes stuck. The "stuck" conversion is supposed to cause chronic low T3 levels and chronically slowed metabolism. Some have speculated that the elevated reverse-T3 is the culprit, continually blocking the conversion of T4 to T3 as a competitive substrate for the 5-deiodinase enzyme. However, this belief is contradicted by studies of the dynamics of T4 to T3 conversion and T4 to reverse-T3 conversion. Laboratory studies have shown that when factors such as increased cortisol levels cause a decrease in T4 to T3 conversion and an increase in T4 to reverse-T3 conversion, the shift in the percentages of T3 and reverse-T3 produced is only temporary.

Re: Power of Chocolate

2007-08-26 07:14:14

Hi Bee,
Thanks for iron information, very enlightening. I don't think this
is it because when I give blood I always pass the iron screening with
flying colors. But, perhaps another component in chocolate is
lacking. I do know I tend to be low the B vitamins but supplement
that now.
I'm not opposed to labeling this depression, but anytime I have any
depressive symptoms something other than antidepressants relieve
them - usually more T3. The minute my dose was adjusted I was
immediately back to normal.
I geuss as long as chocolate is working I will use this provided the
pounds don't start piling on.
Sherry

69 Most Commonly Reported Symptoms of Hypothyroidism

2007-08-26 03:45:48

http://www.drguberman.com/news.cfm#145

69 Most Commonly Reported Symptoms of Hypothyroidism

69 Most Commonly Reported Symptoms of Hypothyroidism*

o Fatigue

o Swelling of eyelids

o Emotional instability

o Lethargy

o Dry skin

o Choking sensation

o Low endurance

o Dry mucous membranes

o Fineness of hair

o Slow speech

o Constipation

o Hair loss

o Slow thinking

o Weight gain unexplainably

o Blueness of skin

o Poor memory

o Paleness of lips

o Dry, thick, scaling skin

o Poor concentration

o Shortness of breath

o Dry, coarse, brittle hair

o Depression

o Swelling

o Paleness of skin

o Nervousness

o Hoarseness

o Puffy skin

o Anxiety

o Loss of appetite

o Puffy face or eyelids

o Worrying

o Prolonged menstrual bleeding

o Swelling of ankles

o Easy emotional upset

o Heavy menstrual bleeding

o Coarse skin

o Obsessive thinking

o Painful menstruation

o Brittle or thin nails

o Low motivation

o Low sex drive

o Dry ridges down nails

o Dizziness

o Impotence

o Difficulty in swallowing

o Sensation of cold

o Hearing loss

o Weakness

o Cold skin

o Rapid heart rate

o Vague body aches & pains

o Decreased sweating

o Pounding heart beat

o Muscle pain

o Heat intolerance

o Slow pulse rate

o Joint pain

o Non-restful sleep

o Pain at front of chest

o Numbness or tingling

o Insomnia

o Poor vision

o Protrusion of one or both eyeballs

o Thick tongue

o Weight loss

o Sparse eyebrows

o Swelling of face

o Wasting of tongue

* After L.J. DeGroot, P.R. Larsen, S. Refetoff, and J.B. Stanbury: The Thyroid and Its Diseases, 5th edition. New York, John Wiley & Sons, Inc. 1984, pp.577-578. * From Lowe, J.C.: The Metabolic Treatment of Fibromyalgia. McDowell Publishing Co., L.C., Boulder, 2000. * From Honeyman-Lowe, G. and Lowe, J.C.: Your Guide to Metabolic Health. Boulder, McDowell Health-Science Books, 2003. References

[1] Johansen, K., Hansen, J.M., and Skovsted, L.: Myxoedema and thyrotoxicosis: relations between clinical state and concentrations of thyroxine and triiodothyronine in blood. Acta Med. Scand., 204(5):361-364, 1978.

[2] Fraser, W.D., Biggart, E.M., OReilly, D. St. J., Gray, H.W., and McKillop, J.H.: Are biochemical tests of thyroid function of any value in monitoring patients receiving thyroxine replacement? Br. Med. J., 293:808-810, 1986.

[3] Lowe, J.C., Eichelberger, J., Manso, G., and Peterson, K.: Improvement in euthyroid fibromyalgia patients treated with T3. J. Myofascial Ther.,1 (2):16-29, 1994.

[4] Lowe, J.C.: T3-induced recovery from fibromyalgia by a hypothyroid patient resistant to T4 and desiccated thyroid. J. Myofascial Ther., 1(4):26-31, 1995.

[5] Lowe, J.C.: Results of an open trial of T3 therapy with 77 euthyroid female fibromyalgia patients. Clin. Bull. Myofascial Ther., 2 (1):35-37, 1997.

[6] Lowe, J.C., Garrison, R., Reichman, A., Yellin, J., Thompson, M., and Kaufman, D.: Effectiveness and safety of T3 therapy for euthyroid fibromyalgia: a double-blind, placebo-controlled response-driven crossover study, Clin. Bull. Myofascial Ther., 2(2/3):31-57, 1997.

[7] Lowe, J.C., Garrison, R., Reichman, A., Yellin, J.: Triiodothyronine (T3) treatment of euthyroid fibromyalgia: a small-n replication of a double-blind placebo-controlled crossover study. Clin. Bull. Myofascial Ther., 2(4):71-88, 1997.

[8] Lowe, J.C., Reichman, A., Yellin, J.: The process of change with T3 therapy for euthyroid fibromyalgia: a double-blind placebo-controlled crossover study, Clin. Bull. Myofascial Ther., 2(2/3):91-124, 1997.

[9] Honeyman, G.S.: Metabolic therapy for hypothyroid and euthyroid fibromyalgia: two case reports. Clin. Bull. Myofascial Ther., 2(4):19-49, 1997.

[10] Lowe, J.C., Reichman, A., Yellin, J.: A case-control study of metabolic therapy for fibromyalgia: long-term follow-up comparison of treated and untreated patients (abstract). Clin. Bull. Myofascial Ther., 3(1):23-24, 1998.

[11] Teitelbaum J, Bird B, Greenfield RM et al. Effective treatment of CFS and FMS: a randomized, double-blind placebo controlled study. J. Chron. Fatigue Synd., 8(2): 3-28, 2001

Problems with tiredness

2007-08-25 22:02:48

This past July, my numbers went whacky so my doc upped my dose of
Synthroid. At about the same time, my pharmacy changed me over to
the generic form of synthroid. Since then, I have had problems with
diarrhea and tiredness. It seems that I will go a few days feeling
fine and then have a "crash" day when all I want to do is sleep. I
don't have the energy to get up off the couch to do anything. The
bouts of diarrhea are accompanied with cramping and can get bad
enough that I have to take Imodium to stop it.
I am going to see my doc this Friday for another blood test. I
intend to ask him if the generic is causing all of the problems.
(My insurance company requires that the generic brand of all meds be
used when possible.) I also want to talk to him about going to see
an endo doc. My reg. doc. has given me every test in the world to
try to find the cause of my tiredness before labeling it Chronic
Fatigue, though it has never been this bad since I was first
diagnosed. I have Hashimoto's and am 48.
Any other suggestions?
Barb

DR visit Hospital

2007-08-25 18:20:32

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Well on the 8 of this month I had my doctor visit and he wanted me to
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test after test done and x ray and came to find out that I had a tear
in the left shoulder rotater they treated me for that then did a
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RE: [ThyroidFitness] Update on Bee! Lowest weight in years! Long...

2007-08-25 04:45:41

Bee that is awesome!!.. I know it has been a long struggle, but so worth it. J Don't get too comfy in those jeans either, your going to need new ones soon!

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Update on Bee! Lowest weight in years! Long...

2007-08-25 02:30:05

Hi all,

While a lot of you know my story of finally, in desperation, having bariatric surgery, after trying everything else possible, and in spite of (supposedly being treated properly for thyroid disease), I continued to gain weight...

I had to get on here and say Yippeee, since I got on the scales this am and am at the lowest weight I have been at in years!

After the surgery in 1997, I had lost 135 lbs (starting weight 384.5) and got down to 249 lbs...then suddenly the weight loss stopped, no matter what I did to try to get it to budge...I worked out several times a week, no change...eat practically NO fat, no change...

Then about November 2000, I started having all kinds of health problems that I was sure were related to my thyroid, including, I gained back 58 lbs (back up to 307) in approximately 6 months...but of course my doctor and the nurses at the er, where I went when I was having lots of thyroid symptoms, that made me conclude that I was getting ready to have a heart attack...told me that there was nothing wrong with my heart or my thyroid, because at 3.48 my tsh was "in the normal range", so I was perfectly normal...lol

Well, I saw the nurses rolling their eyes at each other, which made me angry enough to decide that I had to get to bottom of all of it...the only thing they came up with was that my iron was extremely low...so I just needed to get over thinking that something was wrong and just "try harder"...well, I did try harder...I started searching for answers and found them...I then started trying to retrain my doctors, which went over like a lead balloon...lol

So then I started switching doctors, which helped, because each doctor seemed to get me a little better, but, still were pretty ignorant on thyroid disease...I started seeing my current doctor about 1 1/2 years ago and he has gradually upped my thyroid meds from approx. 3 grains of armour, to 8 grains armour and 12.5 - 25 mcg of cytomel (they leave it up to me and how I am feeling!)...in that 18 or so months, I have lost the 58 lbs I gained back...

No ridiculous diet, no eating like an anorexic, no exercising 2-3 hours a day, like I used to, with no results! As I have felt better, I am doing more, so am probably burning more calories, but as far as my diet, there is nothing at all that I don't eat! If I want cheesecake, I don't have to eat artificial anything! I eat a small slice of (real) cheesecake!

I have said many times, that I don't want to follow some ridiculous diet...I wanted to be fixed, so that for once in my life I could eat like normal people...I think I am there! I want to eat fruit, I want to add butter to my veggies and not watch everyone else at a birthday party, eat cake and ice cream, while I said no...only to either not lose or worse yet, to go without all the things I love and gain!

My weight this am was 248.5, so is lower than my lowest, after the surgery!

For the most part, I eat a healthy diet...I eat lots of leaner, but not fat free meat, lowered fat, but not fat free dairy (I used to drink fat free milk, but have gone to 2 %), watch trans fats, but eat fatty fish, nuts, butter and olive oil, lots of salads and veggies, lots of fruit...and if I want chocolate, I have a little bit of chocolate, if I want a chocolate chip cookie, I have a chocolate chip cookie or 2, I eat all the "forbidden" foods in moderation...I watch my carbs, if I eat bread, it is the higher in fiber bread, not low carb...the ones I have tasted, made me think, if that was all I could have, I might as well just get 2 sponges off of my kitchen counter to use as bread!

When I want rice, I eat rice, when I want pasta, I eat pasta, but these higher glycemic foods, I eat small portions and balance them out with lots of protein and veggies...I also eat the brown rice instead of white, whole grain bread, instead of the carmel colored (supposedly healthy) wheat bread...the perfection outlet here in town has one called honey crunchy oat that is to die for...lol...is nutty, a little sweet and wonderful!

We just had pictures taken at the school (I work at my kids school in the after-school daycare program), so as soon as we get them back, I will post a new one...I also keep saying that I am gonna get out the clothes I had on in my "before surgery" pics, and have new pics taken, and I will...I figure having the same clothes on, will really show the differences, more than another outfit...but I also want to have pics taken in clothes that fit me! I bought my first "real" (no elastic waist) jeans in years, last winter and just recently bought new ones 2 sizes smaller! Still far from perfection, but definitely getting closer...lol

One thing that gets me about having things finally strightened out, I don't have all the allergies to things that I had before...I gave up wearing make up, because even the most gentle ones caused me problems, especially with my eyes, and now I can wear just about anything with no problem! I am gradully trying lots of things, that I had considered myself allergic to, for years and am ok with everything I have tried...I doubt I will try taking sulfa drugs again though, after the severe allergic reaction that I had to that! lol

Finally being able to lose, really helps in the motivation department...when you know depriving yourself is going to work, it is much easier to do!

My best advice, is get a good doctor and get your numbers where they need to be for you and some fats are good for you...make sure you get enough of them and get rid of refined carbs substitute as much as possible and substitute whole grains...and stay away from artificial sweetners as much as possible...they cause more problems than they are worth...I wouldn't endorse any of them and don't go out of my way to use any of them...

Hugs, Bee

384.5 (6/1997)--249 (6/1998)--307 (5/2001)--248.5 (9/2004)

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Re: [ThyroidFitness] Power of Chocolate

2007-08-24 11:36:05

Hi sherry,
Have they checked your iron levels? It is very common to be iron deficient with thyroid disease...
I had the type of symptoms that you mentioned for months and they gradually got worse...I eventually ended up at the er thinking I was having a heart attack because of the chest pains, arm pain...shortness of breath and so on...The only thing they could find was that my iron was extremely low... but of course told me that it would not cause the symptoms I was having and of course my TSH of 3.48 was in the normal range, so it couldn't be that (lol)...Luckily by that time i was tired of being told that there was nothing wrong with me and that I just needed to try harder and I got on here and started my own search...and learned how wrong they were!
All of the symptoms that I was experiencing were listed in my books or on here under iron deficiency, thyroid or both...
I read lots of labels in the grocery to find high iron foods and it seemed like there was an awful lot of food with no iron at all... high protien foods, do not neccessarily contain iron...
In my search, as a joke, I picked up a bag of M&M's and there it was, iron! So then I started checking the different kinds and the darker the chocolate, the more iron it contains! I love semi sweet chocolate! Plus, I have read lots of articles about the other benefits of chocolate...
You don't want to supplement your diet with iron pills unless you are sure that you need them, so get tested to see...also, eating lots of citrus with the iron rich foods, helps with absorption...in fact vitamin c is so very beneficial in so many ways...
Maybe iron deficiency, is not what is going on, but depression and lots of other thyroid type symptoms can come from low iron or b12 and should be checked out, if you are on the (supposed) correct dosage of meds and still having lots of symptoms...
Hang in there! Hugs, Bee
Sherry <hary722001@...

This stuff is amazing. I just had to share with everyone that....
Lately I have been incredibly stressed by a number of things. On top of that have felt out of wack physically any way - very anxious, almost chest pains, lack of appetite, depressed. Much of this is coinciding with PMS but still more difficult than usual.
Was acutally concerned enough today to get my blood pressure taken because my chest almost hurt. Of course the BP was normal - 124/72 which is high for me. I have no other hyper symptoms, so am ruling that out. As a last result indulged in a healthy serving of chocolate. It's an hour later and all symptoms are gone, for the
first time in 3 days.
Now, I'm sure this will wear off rather quickly too but you have to admit that is a pretty good response.
Sherry

Power of Chocolate

2007-08-24 08:24:36

This stuff is amazing. I just had to share with everyone that....
Lately I have been incredibly stressed by a number of things. On top
of that have felt out of wack physically any way - very anxious,
almost chest pains, lack of appetite, depressed. Much of this is
coinciding with PMS but still more difficult than usual.
Was acutally concerned enough today to get my blood pressure taken
because my chest almost hurt. Of course the BP was normal - 124/72
which is high for me. I have no other hyper symptoms, so am ruling
that out. As a last result indulged in a healthy serving of
chocolate. It's an hour later and all symptoms are gone, for the
first time in 3 days.
Now, I'm sure this will wear off rather quickly too but you have to
admit that is a pretty good response.
Sherry

BEE : Help! Affects of TOO much levoxyl?

2007-08-24 07:40:38

Thanks Bee - I thought the TSH was at a good level - isn't the range
usually like .4 - 5.5? Where is a good level for you? I did call
the doc and she doesn't seem to think it had anything to do with the
change in dosage, but perhaps a coincidence and maybe I am coming
down with something. After the TT in July, they put me back on the
112 just 2 - 3 days later. I had been on that prior to surgery and
then right after. So it was a full 2 months on the 112 after the
surgery before the newest blood work. She said I could go back to
the old dose if I don't feel better.
One of my biggest concerns is that, for some reason, my neck is more
uncomfortable than it has been since the surgery. It can't be seen,
but it feels more swollen...almost hurts. This darn thyroid never
goes away, huh?
Be well,
Laura

Re: ther is just no secret to wieghtloss...bummer

2007-08-23 22:04:54

thanks for venting with me!!!

Re: [ThyroidFitness] ther is just ne secret to wieghtloss...bummer

2007-08-23 13:29:20

ive done EVERY diet too.. and to a T!!!!! and gave them all months to do
their thing!!! nothing worked.. atkins i went on 1 carb a day and stayed the
same plus all the constipation and misery... 1200 cal was the best ive ever
done at 2 pounds a month!!! (and that was at 270 lbs!! plus working out an
hour a day!!)
I am very sick have bladder disease nad everything you can think of nad am
pretty much bed ridden so ya know how desperate i was to actually walk an
hour a day to those walking videoes (and yes i was sweating my ass off till
i fainted)
now my stomach is so severely messed up (celiac/chrons ect unknown) I can
only eat like 2 cups of rice a day and its just too painful to eat... thats
what 200 cal a day? and guess what ZERO initial weight loss (so dont give me
the crap of oh your body got use to it) and ZERO after wards and its been
about 6 months...
when i started armor at least for once in my life i STOPPED gaining weight
thank goodness!!! i just upped the dosage and am not feeling too good.. but
i lsot two pounds in two days.. so im hopeful .. *sigh* but i cant get in
any exercize as of yet this time around
gl

Re: ther is just ne secret to wieghtloss...bummer

2007-08-23 04:36:53

Hi Monica,
I so hear you. Been there, done that, it is so very hard!!! Don't
fight it too hard and don't giveup. The secret is not to let your
body feel deprived because your metabolism will crash. If you start
feeling tired or cold, add a little something. Try to keep yourself
happy, don't focus on being depraved. Also, I found grapefruit to
have a marginally synergistic effect.
We all know it's NOT YOUR Fault! We wish it were because that is
easily addressed, but this disorder makes it very tough to lose.
Good luck!
Sherry

Overheating???

2007-08-23 01:52:33

Hi All,
I am curious if anyone out there is having this exercise issue. I
have always tolerated the heat very well, but lately seem to be
overheating too easily. I absolutely don't feel it coming on, and
feel cold not hot. Heres the latest and typical scenario:
Halfway through a long run, I broke out in goosebumps that would not
go away. Also felt nasueaus, but it was controllable. For this
reason, I made a point to stay especially hydrated. At the end of the
event, I had salt deposits all over, like powder on my face and body.
It was dried. My husband and children noticed it too. You could
actually feel salt's graineyness. But I never felt like I was
excessively sweating.
Does this condition mess up our salt concentrations to cause this,
related to overheating, any other insights?? Just trying to figure
out if I should be concerned or look into it further. And why if
this is overheating, I'm suddenly suseptible to it.
Sherry

ther is just ne secret to wieghtloss...bummer

2007-08-22 22:58:45

I have been searching for the secret for months - trimspa,
southbeach, and any other lame diet that combos food,carbs, and
sugar. There isn't any secret pill you can take or any secret
combinations of food that makes lbs melt away - especially with a
thyroid disorder. Maybe you guys remember my frustrating posts when
I came back from the endo and he told me how fat I was and that I
better do something and that he would help me relate it to an
endocrine disorder...bla bla bla. Still frustrated I ate smaller
portions (of anything I want though) and excercise my butt off. It
is so hard to lose weight it makes me cry at times. I am so sick of
buying new clothes every two weeks b/c I have grown out of the
clothes I just bought in the previous two weeks. I just decided to
suck it up and beat my mental game. Only two weeks into this "suck
it up plan" and I have lost six pounds :) I just wanted to share with
you guys because I think I had to hit bottom and use every excuse why
I felt a certain way to get me this far. Half of what I feel is
mental (I think) My back (kidneys) still hurt but I don't think
anout it as much and other symptoms are still there but I don't feel
tired because I don't let myself feel tired. I wish everyone could
feel better and wish everyone could find their motivation for getting
what you need to get done with your health. If it weren't for you
guys I don't think I could have ever found it in me to "get to the
bottom of things". I think for hypo patients this group is all we
have to help us understand our bodies. THANK YOU
Monica

4 Vitamins for Silky Skin

2007-08-22 10:19:28

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4 Vitamins for Silky Skin

[INLINE] If you want to give your skin that enviable glow, you need to take your vitamins. And sometimes that means wearing them! These four vitamins will help make your skin silky smooth, reports Prevention magazine.

Vitamin A
Since most of us get enough vitamin A in the foods we eat, especially from sweet potatoes, baby carrots, mango, spinach, cantaloupe, milk, and egg yolks, it's not necessary to take a supplement. Besides, too much vitamin A is actually dangerous and could make you more susceptible to a hip fracture. But topically, vitamin A can do wonders for your skin. Prevention magazine notes that it has been clinically shown to clear up acne and reduce the appearance of fine lines and pores. Vitamin A creams are available by prescription, as well as in less potent over-the-counter formulas.

Vitamin B
Foods rich in vitamin B-6 and B-12 include salmon, flounder, chicken, turkey, and beef. Provided you're getting enough of the B vitamins in your diet, a supplement will not noticeably improve your skin. But new research shows that when vitamin B-5, also known as panthenol, and vitamin B-3, or niacinamide, are added to skin care products, they help hydrate your skin and even-out your skin tone.

Vitamin C
Too much sun can lead to wrinkles and skin cancer. Vitamin C helps to counteract the effects of the free-radical damage caused by too much sun. The experts advise you to wear it and swallow it! When vitamin C is used in skin care products it can enhance collagen production--but it must be in an effective, stable form to work. Prevention advises you to look for labels with the words "L-ascorbic acid," "ascorbic palmitate," or "magnesium ascorbyl phosphate." In addition to supplements, you can eat your vitamin C in papaya, broccoli, oranges and orange juice, strawberries, kiwi, grapefruit and grapefruit juice, and even raw peppers.

Vitamin E
A daily vitamin E supplement daily of 400 IU can help reduce wrinkles and improve the texture of your skin. Prevention recommends that you look for labels on the supplements that say "natural" or "d-alpha tocopherol." Foods rich in vitamin E include sunflower seeds, wheat germ, peanut butter, almonds, canned salmon, canned tuna fish, olive oil, and lobster.

Medication update

2007-08-22 10:00:41

Well the nurse called me back this morning and said that she asked the doctor about the Armour Thyroid. He said that he was on both Armour and synthroid (presently taking synthroid) and he couldn't feel the difference. But he said that if I wanted the Armour that he would call it in for me. So, I said I would like the armour!

Melissa

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Experiences with Isocort--Please Share--Mary

2007-08-22 01:21:36

I'd like to hear from some folks who have tried the Isocort. What kind of reactions did you have and on what dose?
I've just started it for my CFIDS and really want some feedback. Took 4 pellets yesterday and felt good last night. This morning, though, I felt anxious, so I cut back the dose to 2 pellets today.
Also, am I remembering correctly that there actually is some cortisone in the Isocort along with the adrenal extract?
Your response will be greatly appreciated.
Mary in CT

RE: [ThyroidFitness] Experiences with Isocort--Please Share--Mary

2007-08-22 01:20:49

Mary ,I took the Isocort for the amount of time the bottle lasted. I am not sure what it did, but I did feel better once I had started it. I added it during a period of time that I felt like I had crashed.I was doing a very heavy weight lifting program and had put my carbs down really low. I did feel like that again recently( doing a different program and again lowering my carbs down. but didn't add the isocort but did have a medcation adjustment. My T3 had fallen! I am beginning to think for me I might now be able to go down below about 70 carbs and lift heavy, causes my T3 to suddenly fall.. My own opinion but the lab results seem to back it up.

I didn't notice any adverse reaction to it. I believe it does have adrenal extract in it.

Ileen J

Help! Affects of TOO much levoxyl?

2007-08-21 13:52:45

I had a TT in July. The doctor put me back on 112mcg of levoxyl that
I was on prior to surgery. I was feeling great; still tired
sometimes, but overall great. I was healing well from the surgery,
throat still slightly swollen, but overall great. I went for a
checkup last week and my TSH was 2.22 - obviously those are good
results. I had gained some weight though, and she said there was room
enough to increase my dosage of levoxyl to 125mcg to help with that.
Well, within a few days of starting the new med, I started not
feeling the same. My throat has tightened up and become very
uncomfortable. I am feeling very anxious and paranoid. I believe
depressed also b/c the past 2 days I got the kids off to school and
went back to sleep (and not b/c I was tired). I have lost my appetite
(no lunch or breakfast the past 2 days, just a small dinner) I feel
nauseous at times and am having dificulty breathing (I have had this
before, but it is much worse). Is this a coincidence? My imagination?
Or can to much levoxyl do this? It happened as fast as I said - I was
truly fine, switched dosages and bam - I know it usually takes weeks
to have the meds take affect. Please help - I hate feeling like this.

Re: [ThyroidFitness] Help! Affects of TOO much levoxyl?

2007-08-21 11:02:36

Hi Suezeeq,

That tsh is NOT really that low...so in theory the uppage in dose was called for...and the doc went just a slight uppage, which is good...

Have you called your doc? I would...I don't think it is all in your head...did the doc do the free t3 and free t4 along with the tsh? Sometimes the tsh can look like we are doing one thing, yet when the doc tests the free's and goes by them, we see what is really going on...I have also heard of patients being allergic to the dye in one dosage, but not in another...is this pill a different color than the 112 dose?

I would probably go back to the lower dose, at least temporarily, to see if the new symptoms subside...

Definitely call your doc and see what they say...if the tt was in july, when did they put you back on the 112? Could be, they didn't wait long enough after getting back on meds, before testing and then upping the dose...I know that some will go through a little bit of hyper type symptoms when first going to a new dose, but they usually subside once you get used to the dose...but this usually involves minor heart palps when you lay down at night...what you describe sounds frightening...

I have definitely noticed differences within a few days after a new dose or med change, so don't let anyone else tell you how you feel...Hang in there and call your doc!

Hugs, Bee
suezeeq889 <suezeeq889@...

I had a TT in July. The doctor put me back on 112mcg of levoxyl that I was on prior to surgery. I was feeling great; still tired sometimes, but overall great. I was healing well from the surgery, throat still slightly swollen, but overall great. I went for a checkup last week and my TSH was 2.22 - obviously those are good
results. I had gained some weight though, and she said there was room enough to increase my dosage of levoxyl to 125mcg to help with that.
Well, within a few days of starting the new med, I started not feeling the same. My throat has tightened up and become very uncomfortable. I am feeling very anxious and paranoid. I believe depressed also b/c the past 2 days I got the kids off to school and went back to sleep (and not b/c I was tired). I have lost my appetite
(no lunch or breakfast the past 2 days, just a small dinner) I feel nauseous at times and am having dificulty breathing (I have had this before, but it is much worse). Is this a coincidence? My imagination?
Or can to much levoxyl do this? It happened as fast as I said - I was truly fine, switched dosages and bam - I know it usually takes weeks to have the meds take affect. Please help - I hate feeling like this.

More Americans are using alternatives medicines to treat health problems

2007-08-20 21:41:31

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More Americans are using alternatives medicines to treat health problems

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There's an old saying that, "an apple a day keeps the doctor away." But recent studies show more and more people believe that yoga, herbs and even prayer can do the same job.
An increasing number of Americans are using alternatives medicines to treat health problems ranging from headaches and depression to cancer, diabetes and other life-threatening illnesses, according to a recent government study by the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine at the National Institutes of Health.
The survey, part of a larger national health survey done periodically by the Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, used personal interviews with more than 31,000 adults across the country on their use of 27 types of alternative therapies not considered part of conventional medicine in the United States.
Dr. Stephen Straus, director of the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine in Bethesda, Md., said people were asked if they had ever used or had used within the past year 10 types of treatment provided by experts. The treatments included acupuncture and chiropractic, as well as 17 other therapies that can be self-administered, such as herbal botanical supplements, special diets and megavitamins.
The survey can't tell to what extent people used alternative treatment exclusively rather than alongside traditional care, although most experts think people tend to blend their health care, Straus said.
Richard Nahin, the center's senior adviser for the survey, said the results underscore that "some remedies can be unsafe when used inappropriately or with conventional medicines, and people who use complementary and alternative medical products have to be sure to tell their health-care providers what they're doing."
The results for use of some natural products was particularly interesting, with 40 percent of those who used any such products taking Echinacea, mainly for colds, and 21 percent using ginkgo biloba, Nahin said. Interestingly, more than 6 percent were using kava kava, a Polynesian shrub extract often taken for anxiety, despite warnings from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration that it can be toxic to the liver.
Straus noted the center has a number of studies continuing about the safety and effectiveness of several popular herbal products, and that as results of those studies are released in the next several years, it will be possible to see if scientific evidence has any impact on the popularity of those products when the next survey is done in 2007.
A woman's journey
Madison Township resident Marion Gray owns and operates Natural Remi-Teas, a combination tea and coffeehouse and health products store.
The genesis of her interest in natural remedies was in the diagnosis 20 years ago of a condition in which her body's auto-immune system attacks the thyroid, Gray said.
For 17 years, she took the prescription drug Synthroid without question.
Three years ago, when she was "tired of being tired," Gray began a journey of discovery into her own disease, and was shocked at what she didn't know.
She then took her amassed research to her doctor and discussed it with him.
First, she told the doctor that she wanted to switch her medication to Armour, instead of Synthroid. Armour is a "natural" prescription drug, made from the ground thyroids of pigs.
She also told her doctor she was going to "stop doing things that were working against my thyroid," such as ingesting fluoride and chlorine.
"Then I started drinking Yerba Mat tea, which helps the immune system," Gray said.
Gray describes Yerba Mat tea as a "complete food source," that gives the "wake-me-up" of coffee without the addictive caffeine.
As she started feeling better, people she knew became interested in the use of "natural" teas and substances.
Gray's store opened in summer 2001. Since then, she has spent a lot of time educating her clientele on how to use natural products to complement their traditional medical treatment.
"Why does it have to be one or the other?" Gray asked. "A customer will say, 'Oh, so I don't have to take my prescription anymore?' and I say, "No, no. Don't go against your doctor. Work with your doctor.' Some people call me an alternative, but I don't consider myself alternative. I go to the doctor. I take my prescriptions, I drink my tea and eat chia seeds."
On a wing and a prayer
In the survey, prayer was the No. 1 CAM (complementary and alternative medicine) used by respondents in the prior year.
The Rev. Jim Ekensten, director of Healing Rooms of Ashtabula, laughs at the designation of prayer as a "complement" to traditional medical treatment.
"We like to think we're the 'primary care physicians,' " Ekensten said. "We feel doctors are a complement to our belief. God created doctors, and they work hand in hand (with God). They always will."
Ekensten is not a physician.
Survey numbers show 43 percent of those surveyed said they used prayer specifically for their own health in the past 12 months. Twenty-four percent used prayer by others for their own health, and 9.6 percent of respondents participated in a prayer group for their own health.
The next CAM on the list - natural products - was used by 18.9 percent of respondents, followed by deep breathing exercises, 11.6 percent; meditation, 7.6 percent; chiropractic care, 7.5 percent; yoga, 5.1 percent; massage, 5 percent; and diet-based therapies, 3.5 percent.
Ekensten said the Park Avenue location attracts believers and nonbelievers looking for help. All are welcome, he said.
"It's a step of faith just walking through the door," he said.
"We've been open since December 2003, and we've prayed for between 125 and 150 people. People from as far away as Erie (Pa.) have driven here to have us pray for them."
Although Ekensten counts healing in mind and spirit in those numbers, physical healing also is a large part of the ministry. Ekensten said his group has three cases in which local doctors have diagnosed someone with a condition, which apparently disappeared after prayer at Healing Rooms.
On the initial form people fill out before being prayed for at Healing Rooms, they are specifically asked if they are under a doctor's care.
Insurance pays, selectively
According to statistics from the Hyattsville, Md.-based U.S. National Center for Health Statistics, the U.S. public's use of CAM increased substantially during the 1990s. This high rate of use translates into large out-of-pocket expenditures on CAM.
It has been estimated that the U.S. public spent $36 billion to $47 billion on CAM therapies in 1997 alone.
Of this amount, $12.2 billion to $19.6 billion was paid out of pocket for the services of professional CAM health-care providers such as chiropractors, acupuncturists and massage therapists.
These fees are more than the public paid out of pocket for all hospitalizations in 1997 and about half that paid for all out-of-pocket physician services.
According to the survey, 8 percent of those polled said they used chiropractic.
Terry Davis, administrator for Lake Chiropractic in Willowick, said 20 years ago, chiropractic services were not covered by insurances.
Today, 99 percent of patients at the clinic are indeed covered by insurance.
"But I know a lot of clinics who are all cash businesses because they are tired of fighting with insurance companies," Davis said.
Tammy Roesch, of Roesch's Natural Foods in Geneva Township, said insurance prescription cards can be somewhat of a trap.
"They're like welfare: It keeps people in the system, and they never look elsewhere for help," said Roesch, a master herbalist and "old-fashioned Seventh-day Adventist" who worships at home.
As with most practitioners of alternative medical care, Roesch warns anyone who takes her advice that she is not a doctor.
"I tell them I can only tell them what I would do and what has helped my customers," she said. "I tell them first to go to their doctor and tell them you want to try this. If the doctor says, 'Absolutely not,' I would tell them to try a different doctor."
Roesch said she has many doctors who send their patients to her for different natural herbs.
Success story
Sherrie Janz of Madison Township used to go to the doctor just about every week.
"Even with health insurance, our medical bills were astronomical," Janz said.
Janz has multiple medical problems, including asthma and allergies that required daily medication.
Janz spoke with her doctor about taking an herbal alternative to inhalers and pills. She did so with his approval, and has improved to the point of not needing the prescriptions.
"My doctor said, 'Wow, that's great. Just be careful,' " Janz said.
Janz said she takes advantage of conventional and alternative medical care.
"I just stopped going to the doctor for every stupid thing," she said. "I'd rather spend $10 for a natural product than pay the $15 (insurance) co-pay at the doctor's office. But if my arm's broke, I'm going to the doctor."
A doctor's view
Dr. Laura Bailey, board certified in internal medicine, is in a group practice within Lake Hospital System, in Willoughby.
Bailey's main concern with alternative treatments is that patients often don't think it's necessary to tell their physician what they are taking.
"I had one patient who had fairly significant asthma that no medication would improve," Bailey said. "Finally, we sat down with her and looked at everything she was taking, and found out she was taking Echinacea."
Once the patient stopped taking the herbal treatment, Bailey said she was able to cut back her asthma prescriptions by more than half.
Echinacea use by some patients does seem to reduce the length of a cold, Bailey said. But those who have a sensitivity to ragweed can cause more problems than it solves.
"Natural isn't always better. Poison ivy is natural," Bailey said.
Another example of interaction concerns St. John's wort, which is often used to treat mild depression.
"But it does react with birth control pills," Bailey said.
There have been at least 20 documented cases of pregnancies caused when the "natural" herb lessened the effectiveness of the prescription drug.
Communication between doctor and patient is key to making sure that using "natural" substances is safe.
FDA approval needed
Bailey also noted she is concerned that none of the herbal products available is subject to control by the FDA.
In a study by Consumers Union, the Yonkers, N.Y.-based company that publishes Consumer Reports, it was discovered that random samples of herbal treatments indicated that the concentration of the actual substance varied widely, from 0 percent to 150 percent of what the bottle says is in it, Bailey said.
"That is the concern of a lot of doctors," she said. "As you know, if you plant tomatoes, one year, you may have 100, and the next year, maybe 30. The concentration of the substance will be different."
Bailey said she prefers to work with her patients who want to take herbal supplements. She also would like to see more studies conducted on the products.
What about prayer?
Asked about the No. 1 "alternative medicine" cited in the NCCAM study - prayer - Bailey said that is a highly personal approach but it definitely "has a place."
But has she seen prayer work with her own eyes?
"I've seen lots of people live through things that they had no right to live through," Bailey replied. "I couldn't rule it out."
Results of the survey are available at the center's Web site: www.nccam.nih.gov. Scripps Howard News Service contributed to this story.
İThe News-Herald 2004

Re: [ThyroidFitness] Partial lab results and frustrating

2007-08-20 14:56:54

Hi Melissa,

I think, I would call back and ask that the doctor call me back...I wouldn't just let the nurse tell me that he was giving me something other than what I had specifically asked for and he told me that he would give me...and I would also ask him/her for my lab results...oh ok, you said that you were going to do that when you go with hubby... well, ask him then about the meds...

Hang in there! hugs, Bee
melissa <jerseygirl0329@...

Well after waiting a whole week the nurse finally calls me back. I had already discussed with my PCP that if I had to go back on synthroid that I wanted Armour and he said ok. Well, the nurse who doesn't listen calls me and says that he put me back on synthroid. Well, when I said we already talked about this, she replies uh well this is what he wrote for so.... Grrrrr And she wouldn't give me all my results over the phone. But I do know that my TSH was up to 6.40 (It was 3.5 prior to meds and right before my surgery it was 1.94 on meds) Geee no wonder why I have been feeling like crap since the surgery. My hubby has to make an appt with this dr. so I am going with to personally ask for the lab results.

Melissa

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"Dreams are the touchstones of our character." Henry David Thoreau

Gail shapes up after thyroid misery turns into a weighty issue

2007-08-20 12:12:04

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Gail shapes up after thyroid misery turns into a weighty issue
Edinburgh-born TV presenter Gail Hipgrave says her post-baby weight struggle was down to a faulty thyroid.
SANDRA DICK
SHES famed for her petite but perfectly formed curves - even earning her a controversial appearance on the walls of Westminster.
So when television presenter Gail Hipgrave delivered her first baby, she may not have been quite prepared for the arrival of a rather weighty problem.
While other celebrity mums like Liz Hurley and Victoria Beckham were eager to show off how quickly they had shed their pregnancy pounds to squeeze into slinky designer frocks, Gail was embroiled in a long and depressing battle of the baby bulge.
The petite Edinburgh-born 33-year-old, whose figure had earned her so much attention from the lads mags, now claims she wasnt simply suffering from a lingering bout of baby blubber: her four-stone weight gain was largely thanks to her thyroid.
Of course, its a common cry among overweight over-eaters who claim the scales are tipped out of their favour by an under-active thyroid.
And "its my thyroid" is often used as an excuse by some when they simply feel a bit sluggish and under the weather.
So is it possible many of us really can put our irritating health woes down to thyroid problems? And could a simple blood test reveal the reason why so many of us are unhappy with our weight?
Around one in 20 of us will experience a thyroid problem at some stage in our lives - although the wide variety of physical and psychological symptoms mean we may not even realise it.
Thyroid disease can affect everything from inexplicable weight loss to weight gain, it can leave us breathless, weary, irritable and even make our hair fall out and skin flake. It can raise our risks of becoming diabetic or anaemic - and its most likely to affect women.
Gail, a petite 5ft 4ins, says her under-active thyroid - known as hypothyroidism - only emerged as she struggled to shift her post-pregnancy baby weight. Her weight soared to 11 stone after giving birth in September 2002 and while she managed to lose three stone, the last 14lbs simply refused to budge.
"I discovered I had an under-active thyroid gland that made my metabolism slow," she reveals in a magazine interview. "My thyroid has stabilised so my body can respond to diets. Im finally happy with the way I look."
Gail is now coping with her thyroid problem, probably through the prescription drug Thyroxine, a replacement hormone which she will have to take for the rest of her life. But while her thyroid problems are now being treated, many more of us may well be suffering thyroid disorders without realising it.
Betty Nevens, spokeswoman for the British Thyroid Foundation, says the sheer variety of symptoms associated with thyroid problems - whether overactive or under-active like Gails - makes diagnosis difficult.
"Unfortunately, many of the symptoms are fairly common complaints: they are things like weight gain that you cant get rid of or weight loss, dry hair, dry skin, feeling cold or feeling hot, aching joints. They dont mean much by themselves, and its only when the patient and doctor put them together that a pattern starts to emerge.
"It means there can be delays in diagnoses: a lot of people put their symptoms down to their age, the menopause or the fact theyve just had a baby. Perhaps one symptom is more evident than the others and they focus on that.
"Many people dont click there is something really wrong until all the symptoms come together and it all gets unbearable."
The range of symptoms and the impact they have on sufferers lives is in direct contrast to the scale of the thyroid gland itself. Situated in the front of the neck between the skin and the voice box, it weighs less than an ounce, yet the hormone it produces controls our metabolism and is responsible for the normal working of every cell in the body.
Quite what knocks it out of balance is sometimes unclear: thyroid problems can run through families yet present themselves in different ways, hormonal changes may be to blame, autoimmune diseases and, some believe, periods of severe stress may also spark changes in how the thyroid works.
Gail has suggested her thyroid problems are linked to almost a decade of starvation dieting - she admitted last year to being anorexic as a youngster, living off little more than grapes, cucumber and tomatoes.
Experts, however, suggest that while that may have left her with a sluggish metabolism - the body believes it is starving and slows down to preserve calories - true thyroid disorders are unlikely to result from mere dieting.
Instead, hypothyroidism is the result of the body failing to produce an adequate amount of the thyroid hormone, thyroxine, needed to keep all the bodily functions occurring at the correct rate. It brings a range of symptoms, including tiredness, dry skin and hair, lack of concentration, poor memory, muscle aches and weight gain.
Dr Anthony Toft, of Edinburgh Royal Infirmary, a world expert on thyroid matters, says severe dieting in the past is unlikely to lead to thyroid problems. "However, if the thyroid is not working properly, it does give you a slow metabolism," he says.
"Unfortunately, a few doctors are prepared to diagnose hypothyroidism and treat patients with thyroid hormones even though blood tests are normal or with no blood testing at all. These doctors do not usually have any training in thyroid disease and most stand to gain financially from their activities.
"The trouble is the symptoms of an under-active thyroid gland are non- specific. It means there is a lot of confusion over thyroid problems and a lot of disgruntled people who may feel their problems of weight gain and feeling down are thyroid related, who undergo tests which show its not their thyroid.
"For many, its easier to simply say its my thyroid than actually address the areas of their lives which are leading them to gain weight and feel depressed."
TINKERING with a healthy thyroid by taking hormones can lead to osteoporosis, possible fracture, irregular heartbeat, heart failure, stroke and even death, he warns.
Dr Toft estimates around two per cent of the population genuinely have an under-active thyroid, and between one and two per cent suffer from the more serious overactive thyroid.
Hyperthoyroidism - an overactive thyroid - results from the over-production of the thyroid hormones known as T4 and T3, often the result of the presence in the blood of an antibody that stimulates the gland which may be triggered by environment or stress-related events in genetically susceptible individuals.
Patients usually lose weight despite eating quite a lot, which means some may delay seeing their doctor fearing they have cancer.
"There are other symptoms: heart palpitations, patients are hot, irritable, their hands shake and bowel movements are more frequent.
"Some suffer a form of hyperthyroidism called Graves disease and develop a goitre - a swelling in the neck - or protruding eyes," adds Dr Toft.
"While its not a difficult diagnosis to make chemically - a blood test can confirm either an overactive or under-active thyroid - the symptoms and the fact that many patients are middle-aged women, mean it can be confused with the menopause.
"Once identified, however, both conditions are relatively straight forward to treat." Left untreated, however, thyroid problems can be deadly.
"An unrecognised under-active thyroid can cause coronary arteries to become blocked," adds Dr Toft. An overactive thyroid, particularly in the elderly, can lead to fluid accumulating in the legs and lungs putting them in danger of blood clots.
Former Edinburgh City Councillor Margaret McGregor faces a lifetime of thyroid drugs after developing rare thyroid cancer in her 20s.
Now she is launching an Edinburgh branch of the British Thyroid Foundation, which will hold its first meeting on November 17 at Edinburgh Royal Infirmary with Dr Toft as guest speaker.
She says: "I was 25 at the time, and my cancer was undiagnosed for rather a long time - I had a lump on my throat, difficulty swallowing, but the doctor at first thought it was a nervous condition and I was given tranquillisers.
"After surgery, I suffered from hypothyroidism and was given thoroxine in quite a large dose. All was fine until a few years ago when my dose was reduced and I suffered the classic hypothyrodism symptoms.
"I put on weight, was breathless, spaced out, I just felt terrible. It was one of the reasons I decided to stop being a councillor. Eventually, the dose was increased again, and I felt absolutely great.
"Many women may say they have a thyroid problem but its really more to do with their time of life or their home life. The only way to know is to go to their GP and have a simple blood test. Now my thyroid is working properly, it has made such a difference to me. I feel I have got my life back."
Understanding Thyroid Disorders by Dr Anthony Toft, published by the British Medical Association, price £3.50.
Contact the British Thyroid Foundation on 0870 7707933, www.btf-thyroid.org
For details of the Edinburgh groups inaugural meeting at ERI on November 17 at 7.30pm, call Margaret McGregor on 0131-664 7223
At-a-glance guide to thyroid problems
What is the thyroid gland?
The thyroid gland lies in front of the neck. It produces the hormones thyroxine (T4) and triiodothyronine (T3) and secretes them into the bloodstream. In healthy people, the amounts of T4 and T3 in the blood are maintained within narrow limits by thyrotrophin, a hormone secreted by the anterior pituitary gland inside the brain.
What do the hormones do?
They control our metabolism - the rate our body converts what we eat into energy - and is responsible for the normal working of every cells in the body.
What can go wrong?
Some of us may be genetically more susceptible to developing thyroid problems. They may have no problems until something triggers a reaction. Some people may suffer rare thyroid cancer.
What is hyperthyroidism?
Commonly known as an overactive thyroid, it is often caused by an antibody in the blood that stimulates the thyroid to secrete excessive hormones. Some patients develop prominent eyes, some develop a goitre - swelling in the neck. An overactive thyroid causes weight loss, heat intolerance and irritability.
What is hypothyroidism?
An under-active thyroid which occurs when the gland stops producing enough T3 and T4. Usually affects middle-aged and elderly women, whose immune system destroys the thyroid gland cells. Symptoms are weight gain, tiredness, slow pulse rate and constipation.

Partial lab results and frustrating

2007-08-20 03:07:39

Well after waiting a whole week the nurse finally calls me back. I had already discussed with my PCP that if I had to go back on synthroid that I wanted Armour and he said ok. Well, the nurse who doesn't listen calls me and says that he put me back on synthroid. Well, when I said we already talked about this, she replies uh well this is what he wrote for so.... Grrrrr And she wouldn't give me all my results over the phone. But I do know that my TSH was up to 6.40 (It was 3.5 prior to meds and right before my surgery it was 1.94 on meds) Geee no wonder why I have been feeling like crap since the surgery. My hubby has to make an appt with this dr. so I am going with to personally ask for the lab results.

Melissa

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Arthritis &amp; Rheumatism News Alert~New Treatment for Fibromyalgia

2007-08-19 21:44:42

http://www.thehormoneshop.net/newtreatmentforfibromyalgia.htm

Arthritis & Rheumatism News Alert
New Treatment for Fibromyalgia

Study Demonstrates Effectiveness of the Antidepressant Duloxetine for Improving Symptoms and Relieving Pain
Fibromyalgia is a chronic, incapacitating musculoskeletal disorder. Nearly six times more common in women than in men, fibromyalgia is marked by widesp